Why the change do you think? (0-62)
Why the change do you think? (0-62)
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ESOG

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1,705 posts

185 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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After reading about the Aventador DMC on the PH News page, and scrolling over the HP and performance figures I had this question pop in my head;

What do you suppose the reasoning behind changing the 0-60 time to 0-62 is?

I realize 60 mph is something of a dated measurement nowadays seeing how most cars, especially supercars can do 60 in a blink of an eye and probably most hyper cars can do so by the top of 1st gear, but adding 2mph seems trivial. Why not 0-75 or 0-80? Why such a minute increase of 2mph do you think?

Chris944_S2

2,063 posts

250 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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Convert into metric and find a nice round number.

RB Will

10,790 posts

267 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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Because 62 mph is 100kph which is how the Euros etc measure it.

uk89camaro

1,399 posts

260 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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RB Will said:
Because 62 mph is 100kph which is how the Euros etc measure it.
^^^This.

How old are you son?

ESOG

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1,705 posts

185 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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uk89camaro said:
^^^This.

How old are you son?
I get it. I will now leave this topic in shame of my ignorance... frown

A rocket science who cant figure out how to program his DVR and all that.

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

237 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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What i'd like to see is more tests quoting 30-50, 30-70, 50-100 as far more useful measures of how fast a car can be.

uk89camaro

1,399 posts

260 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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ESOG said:
I get it. I will now leave this topic in shame of my ignorance... frown

A rocket science who cant figure out how to program his DVR and all that.
I will let you off for being a yank. If I had my way it would still be 0-60!

matthias73

2,901 posts

177 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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I'm not the biggest fan of the 0-62 because some cars require a gear change at 59 and that can add a fair bit.

I do appreciate its probably the best system out there though.

mmm-five

12,273 posts

311 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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matthias73 said:
I'm not the biggest fan of the 0-62 because some cars require a gear change at 59 and that can add a fair bit.

I do appreciate its probably the best system out there though.
But some cars were made with artificially long 2md gears that could hit 60mph, solely to show better performance times to similarly-powered rivals.

Pints

18,451 posts

221 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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ESOG said:
After reading about the Aventador DMC on the PH News page, and scrolling over the HP and performance figures I had this question pop in my head;

What do you suppose the reasoning behind changing the 0-60 time to 0-62 is?

I realize 60 mph is something of a dated measurement nowadays seeing how most cars, especially supercars can do 60 in a blink of an eye and probably most hyper cars can do so by the top of 1st gear, but adding 2mph seems trivial. Why not 0-75 or 0-80? Why such a minute increase of 2mph do you think?
Quoted. Just in case.

hehe

BUG4LIFE

2,507 posts

245 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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This thread made me smile smile

s m

24,396 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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aka_kerrly said:
What i'd like to see is more tests quoting 30-50, 30-70, 50-100 as far more useful measures of how fast a car can be.
Autocar do two of those increments in their full road tests

btdk5

1,862 posts

217 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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matthias73 said:
I'm not the biggest fan of the 0-62 because some cars require a gear change at 59 and that can add a fair bit.

I do appreciate its probably the best system out there though.
So....they would still need to change gears to hit 60 then?

DonkeyApple

68,892 posts

196 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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I believe they still measure ambiwlans in 0-60 though. wink

TheTurbonator

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178 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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BUG4LIFE said:
This thread made me smile smile
Same here smile

LeoSayer

7,780 posts

271 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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btdk5 said:
So....they would still need to change gears to hit 60 then?
I'm sure he meant a 2nd gear change ie. from 2nd to 3rd.

matthias73

2,901 posts

177 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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btdk5 said:
matthias73 said:
I'm not the biggest fan of the 0-62 because some cars require a gear change at 59 and that can add a fair bit.

I do appreciate its probably the best system out there though.
So....they would still need to change gears to hit 60 then?
They wouldn't need a second gear change if they can hit 62 in second.

Then you need to work out whether or not its better to have a short geared box for acceleration in gear or one that will need as few changes as possible to avoid fannying about with a knob.



noell35

3,177 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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s m said:
aka_kerrly said:
What i'd like to see is more tests quoting 30-50, 30-70, 50-100 as far more useful measures of how fast a car can be.
Autocar do two of those increments in their full road tests
Aren't these the figures Saab always quoted? Look where that got them......

ESOG

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1,705 posts

185 months

Tuesday 18th September 2012
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aka_kerrly said:
What i'd like to see is more tests quoting 30-50, 30-70, 50-100 as far more useful measures of how fast a car can be.
I agree, showing several increments up to say 130mph would indeed be a much better measurement of a supercars ability seeing how after 60 is when the vehicles torque and engine capability truly begin to shine. For example a late model Esprit and late model Viper RT10 have nearly the same 0-60 time but after 60 the Viper begins to walk away from the Esprit due to its high torque/bhp capability. Similarly, most new entry level sports cars are putting out 0-60 times or damn close to it as late model exotica. For example, the Mitsu Evolution was hitting 60 in 4.7 seconds, the same as a Fezza F355 or Esprit S4S, but after 60 and up to top speed the F355 and Esprit would demolish it.

With that said, measurements of 60 to 80, 80 to 100 etc would certainly grab my interest. Although someone mentioned Autocar does this, that is true, other magazines test in that way as well, not just to 60 or to 100. There is a magazine or two (can't remember which ones) that also measure top speed in each gear. This is how I came to find that a Viper GTS for example can do 64mph in first car. Granted achieving that speed in 1st gear is most likely done by redlining the crap out of it. hehe

s m

24,396 posts

230 months

Wednesday 19th September 2012
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ESOG said:
I agree, showing several increments up to say 130mph would indeed be a much better measurement of a supercars ability seeing how after 60 is when the vehicles torque and engine capability truly begin to shine. For example a late model Esprit and late model Viper RT10 have nearly the same 0-60 time but after 60 the Viper begins to walk away from the Esprit due to its high torque/bhp capability. Similarly, most new entry level sports cars are putting out 0-60 times or damn close to it as late model exotica. For example, the Mitsu Evolution was hitting 60 in 4.7 seconds, the same as a Fezza F355 or Esprit S4S, but after 60 and up to top speed the F355 and Esprit would demolish it.

With that said, measurements of 60 to 80, 80 to 100 etc would certainly grab my interest. Although someone mentioned Autocar does this, that is true, other magazines test in that way as well, not just to 60 or to 100. There is a magazine or two (can't remember which ones) that also measure top speed in each gear. This is how I came to find that a Viper GTS for example can do 64mph in first car. Granted achieving that speed in 1st gear is most likely done by redlining the crap out of it. hehe
Autocar do that too. For faster cars they'll also bung in some 100-120, 110-130 increments as well ( as well as the ones up to 100mph )