Buying an already big risk car, without a warranty?
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Going to view a Jaguar S Type R tomorrow, but found out this afternoon that the dealer doesnt provide warrantys. Would this put you off?
If you are wondering why im buying from a dealer, ive given up trying to sell privately.
However, i was under the opinion that dealers had to sell cars "fit for sale" How long would this be?
Cheers
If you are wondering why im buying from a dealer, ive given up trying to sell privately.
However, i was under the opinion that dealers had to sell cars "fit for sale" How long would this be?
Cheers
I'm sure someone will be along in a moment to tell you they HAVE to give you X months warranty by law and so on... which just isn't really true.
The car has to be fit for purpose regardless of any 'warranty' offered. The thing is reasonable quality/fit for purpose is going to depend on a lot of factors, like how old the car is, how many miles it has done, what the price is like and so on.
If you are spending more than shed money then you really ought to have some come back for major faults for the first couple of months. However, if they are one of these dealers that advertises as a "trade centre" and the car is being sold on "trade terms" then I wouldn't even bother going to look as you know they are dodgy & wont stand by the car before you even arrive.
The car has to be fit for purpose regardless of any 'warranty' offered. The thing is reasonable quality/fit for purpose is going to depend on a lot of factors, like how old the car is, how many miles it has done, what the price is like and so on.
If you are spending more than shed money then you really ought to have some come back for major faults for the first couple of months. However, if they are one of these dealers that advertises as a "trade centre" and the car is being sold on "trade terms" then I wouldn't even bother going to look as you know they are dodgy & wont stand by the car before you even arrive.
In short, yes! The only reason I would pay a premium of buying from a dealer would be the peace of mind a warranty brings, which paid off for me this year.
I bought a 2006 Mini Cooper S in Jan this year from a BMW dealer, paid about £650-£700 more than a non-BMW dealer, and probably about £1,000-£1,200 more than buying second hand, but that gave me a comprehensive 12 months BMW warranty, 12 months breakdown cover, 6 months tax and an MOT warranty for the next two MOT's.
I have had the car back to the dealers for a number of small niggles, cracked window trim, high level brake light gave up the ghost etc - always fixed with no questions. Last week I had to put the car through its MOT, it failed on front suspension bushes, faulty rear brake calliper that needed replacing along with the disc and pads - in all just shy of £1,000 work - all covered by warranty.
I bought a 2006 Mini Cooper S in Jan this year from a BMW dealer, paid about £650-£700 more than a non-BMW dealer, and probably about £1,000-£1,200 more than buying second hand, but that gave me a comprehensive 12 months BMW warranty, 12 months breakdown cover, 6 months tax and an MOT warranty for the next two MOT's.
I have had the car back to the dealers for a number of small niggles, cracked window trim, high level brake light gave up the ghost etc - always fixed with no questions. Last week I had to put the car through its MOT, it failed on front suspension bushes, faulty rear brake calliper that needed replacing along with the disc and pads - in all just shy of £1,000 work - all covered by warranty.
Benbay001 said:
Should i let it put me off? Or go look anyway and make up my own mind depending on condition?
The Mini was mint when I looked at it (still is), I would never have guessed that it had the potential to cost me £1k to get it through an MOT within 9 months.Personally, if in any doubt walk away and keep looking........
ks and you might as well save your money and buy privately. My dad who spent 10 years as a top mechanic is coming with me, so all should be well in that respect.
I was mainly curious as to whether a dealer can sell a car without a warranty, turns out they can. I am fairly confident in the car as its had one owner for 7 years and 87000 miles, so i suspect its been relatively fault free for them.
I was mainly curious as to whether a dealer can sell a car without a warranty, turns out they can. I am fairly confident in the car as its had one owner for 7 years and 87000 miles, so i suspect its been relatively fault free for them.
Benbay001 said:
Going to view a Jaguar S Type R tomorrow, but found out this afternoon that the dealer doesnt provide warrantys. Would this put you off?
If you are wondering why im buying from a dealer, ive given up trying to sell privately.
However, i was under the opinion that dealers had to sell cars "fit for sale" How long would this be?
Cheers
Knowing the age mileage and price will help. If you are wondering why im buying from a dealer, ive given up trying to sell privately.
However, i was under the opinion that dealers had to sell cars "fit for sale" How long would this be?
Cheers
It is a big risk car you are correct, but that is the main reason (as well as the fuel they use) they are such tremendous value for money.
My experience of the S-Type R has only ever been positive and problem free, Ive bought and sold five in my time.
The dealer does not have to provide a warranty but should abide by the Sale of Goods Act. The main relevant statement within that act is that the goods should be "fit for purpose" and of "satisfactory quality". Its a very grey area, with used cars the only thing that should be certain is that is should function as a car. If it breaks down then the dealer may be liable. Anything else is almost certainly not covered. I'm guessing because of the model you mention that it is not a young car?
I dont believe there any set period of time, but the spirit of the law is to ensure that goods are not faulty at the time of sale. If it breaks down the day after you bought it would be reasonable to say the goods were faulty when sold to you. If however it breaks down after 2 weeks and 500 miles did the fault exist at the point of sale? Probably depends on the cause of break down in this case? If it breaks down after 6 months you are on your own. Everything in between depends on many things.
A decent dealer (this is what I have done) will stand by his cars, and probably offer a contribution to most faults that he feels are genuine, even if he thinks he is not legally liable, but just wants to keep his customers happy.
If a situation were to go legal things like the price paid, age, mileage are all taken into account. I guess the fact it was your own free choice to buy a "big risk car" should mean that you should expect to be responsible for your own decisions to some extent. I don't know the details of the car, but if its a cheap example of the model you shouldn't expect a lot of come back.
You can hedge your risk by buying the best example in terms of condition and history that you can. You can also buy your own warranty direct from many warranty companies online. (for what they are worth)
The first thing I would look at on most cars, and especially on high performance cars is the tyres. A car like this if well looked after should have branded tyres in good condition and at least in matching pairs, ideally all four matching.
Tyres are one of the easiest things to scrimp on maintenance wise, and if the previous owner has scrimped here its usually a sign of his attitude to motoring.
kentmotorcompany said:
Knowing the age mileage and price will help.
It is a big risk car you are correct, but that is the main reason (as well as the fuel they use) they are such tremendous value for money.
My experience of the S-Type R has only ever been positive and problem free, Ive bought and sold five in my time.
The dealer does not have to provide a warranty but should abide by the Sale of Goods Act. The main relevant statement within that act is that the goods should be "fit for purpose" and of "satisfactory quality". Its a very grey area, with used cars the only thing that should be certain is that is should function as a car. If it breaks down then the dealer may be liable. Anything else is almost certainly not covered. I'm guessing because of the model you mention that it is not a young car?
I dont believe there any set period of time, but the spirit of the law is to ensure that goods are not faulty at the time of sale. If it breaks down the day after you bought it would be reasonable to say the goods were faulty when sold to you. If however it breaks down after 2 weeks and 500 miles did the fault exist at the point of sale? Probably depends on the cause of break down in this case? If it breaks down after 6 months you are on your own. Everything in between depends on many things.
A decent dealer (this is what I have done) will stand by his cars, and probably offer a contribution to most faults that he feels are genuine, even if he thinks he is not legally liable, but just wants to keep his customers happy.
If a situation were to go legal things like the price paid, age, mileage are all taken into account. I guess the fact it was your own free choice to buy a "big risk car" should mean that you should expect to be responsible for your own decisions to some extent. I don't know the details of the car, but if its a cheap example of the model you shouldn't expect a lot of come back.
You can hedge your risk by buying the best example in terms of condition and history that you can. You can also buy your own warranty direct from many warranty companies online. (for what they are worth)
The first thing I would look at on most cars, and especially on high performance cars is the tyres. A car like this if well looked after should have branded tyres in good condition and at least in matching pairs, ideally all four matching.
Tyres are one of the easiest things to scrimp on maintenance wise, and if the previous owner has scrimped here its usually a sign of his attitude to motoring.
The car is this oneIt is a big risk car you are correct, but that is the main reason (as well as the fuel they use) they are such tremendous value for money.
My experience of the S-Type R has only ever been positive and problem free, Ive bought and sold five in my time.
The dealer does not have to provide a warranty but should abide by the Sale of Goods Act. The main relevant statement within that act is that the goods should be "fit for purpose" and of "satisfactory quality". Its a very grey area, with used cars the only thing that should be certain is that is should function as a car. If it breaks down then the dealer may be liable. Anything else is almost certainly not covered. I'm guessing because of the model you mention that it is not a young car?
I dont believe there any set period of time, but the spirit of the law is to ensure that goods are not faulty at the time of sale. If it breaks down the day after you bought it would be reasonable to say the goods were faulty when sold to you. If however it breaks down after 2 weeks and 500 miles did the fault exist at the point of sale? Probably depends on the cause of break down in this case? If it breaks down after 6 months you are on your own. Everything in between depends on many things.
A decent dealer (this is what I have done) will stand by his cars, and probably offer a contribution to most faults that he feels are genuine, even if he thinks he is not legally liable, but just wants to keep his customers happy.
If a situation were to go legal things like the price paid, age, mileage are all taken into account. I guess the fact it was your own free choice to buy a "big risk car" should mean that you should expect to be responsible for your own decisions to some extent. I don't know the details of the car, but if its a cheap example of the model you shouldn't expect a lot of come back.
You can hedge your risk by buying the best example in terms of condition and history that you can. You can also buy your own warranty direct from many warranty companies online. (for what they are worth)
The first thing I would look at on most cars, and especially on high performance cars is the tyres. A car like this if well looked after should have branded tyres in good condition and at least in matching pairs, ideally all four matching.
Tyres are one of the easiest things to scrimp on maintenance wise, and if the previous owner has scrimped here its usually a sign of his attitude to motoring.
Car
Im guessing by the fact the previous owner bought it new, and kept it for 87000 miles that he was very very happy with it, and clearly, having bought it brand new, money wasnt a big issue.
Benbay001 said:
The car is this one
Car
Im guessing by the fact the previous owner bought it new, and kept it for 87000 miles that he was very very happy with it, and clearly, having bought it brand new, money wasnt a big issue.
Assuming that's got some half decent history with it and isn't just £6ks worth of massive maintenance bills coming your way; that looks excellent. They are excellent cars too, all the best! Car
Im guessing by the fact the previous owner bought it new, and kept it for 87000 miles that he was very very happy with it, and clearly, having bought it brand new, money wasnt a big issue.
LHD said:
Welshbeef said:
He has to supply a 3 month warranty legally.
No.The car has to be fit for purpose but that's all.
Fitness for purpose is a grey area. In this case you are buying a car for less than 10% of it's new price so, legally, you have virtually no comeback.
Personally, I'd probably just make sure the car's right before buying it. Underrated car the S-Type R, though, personally, I'd be more up for the XJR
Benbay001 said:
The car is this one
Car
Im guessing by the fact the previous owner bought it new, and kept it for 87000 miles that he was very very happy with it, and clearly, having bought it brand new, money wasnt a big issue.
I never realised they were that cheap 6 bags of sand for 370bhp auto leather 185mph car.... Not even the C32 AMG stands a chance. Hmm better buy that or someone else might grab it. Car
Im guessing by the fact the previous owner bought it new, and kept it for 87000 miles that he was very very happy with it, and clearly, having bought it brand new, money wasnt a big issue.
Honestly shocked they are that price point a lovely car enjoy.
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