New Mustang rendering
Discussion
Some lucky folk have cliniced the new Mustang and while no photos were permitted, they have described what they have seen.
Jalopnik have used this to render what it might look like.
If this is anything like accurate, this could be a very popular car.
http://jalopnik.com/ford-mustang/
Jalopnik have used this to render what it might look like.
If this is anything like accurate, this could be a very popular car.
http://jalopnik.com/ford-mustang/
firman said:
Will they ever make a RHD version? I think if they did and the cost were similar to what they are in the good old US of A it would be a big hit over here.
It does look good though
Yes - The plan is for this to be RHD and sold throughout Europe (the world actually) though initial plans are that we will not get the V8, only a 300bhp plus turbo 4 or sixer.It does look good though
This is, in effect, the Capri they always promised and tried to follow but have finally dropped in favour of the more seminal icon.
I just pray they resist a diesel and yet....
firman said:
Will they ever make a RHD version? I think if they did and the cost were similar to what they are in the good old US of A it would be a big hit over here.
It does look good though
Costs are similar, but you need to compare like for like. So you can't just convert $ to £ and expect that to be the price to pay here. In relative terms a $30k in the US should be around £30k as it'd take a similar level of earnings to buy both.It does look good though
As for RHD? Probably not, I mean who'd buy it? Nissan stuggle to sell the 370z even at competitive prices. A perceived gas guzzling V8 Stang from Ford and America just doesn't meet with British ideals. VED would kill it straight off too and every magazine would want to compare it to a BMW M3 costing twice as much and then moan about the Ford's interior.
300bhp/ton said:
As for RHD? Probably not, I mean who'd buy it? Nissan stuggle to sell the 370z even at competitive prices. A perceived gas guzzling V8 Stang from Ford and America just doesn't meet with British ideals. VED would kill it straight off too and every magazine would want to compare it to a BMW M3 costing twice as much and then moan about the Ford's interior.
Maybe the RHD Asian and Australian markets would like them too.I'd love to flood the coupe market with interesting RHD stuff from the US. Having spent 3 weeks in a 2012 Mustang the interior is fine, it's the little lurch/settle at the rear under cornering that would be the only thing I'd want fixed (and I'd probably just live with it and call it character).
LuS1fer said:
Yes - The plan is for this to be RHD and sold throughout Europe (the world actually) though initial plans are that we will not get the V8, only a 300bhp plus turbo 4 or sixer.
This is, in effect, the Capri they always promised and tried to follow but have finally dropped in favour of the more seminal icon.
I just pray they resist a diesel and yet....
I can imagine that if this is true there will be an awful lot of near-new cars running about with the original lump ripped out mercilessly and a crate motor wedged in. You know, to get things to the way they should be.This is, in effect, the Capri they always promised and tried to follow but have finally dropped in favour of the more seminal icon.
I just pray they resist a diesel and yet....
f
king turbo four in a 'Stang? Get fked Ford. Get fked.300bhp/ton said:
As for RHD? Probably not, I mean who'd buy it? Nissan stuggle to sell the 370z even at competitive prices. A perceived gas guzzling V8 Stang from Ford and America just doesn't meet with British ideals. VED would kill it straight off too and every magazine would want to compare it to a BMW M3 costing twice as much and then moan about the Ford's interior.
Hope they don't go RHD. I'd prefer to import one in LHD and benefit from the cars uniqueness over here,low VED rate and have it as a V8.
I also hope this is an accurate rendering of what the guys saw as it will verify my decision to wait for the new shape was correct. Love it.
Captain Muppet said:
Maybe the RHD Asian and Australian markets would like them too.
I'd love to flood the coupe market with interesting RHD stuff from the US. Having spent 3 weeks in a 2012 Mustang the interior is fine, it's the little lurch/settle at the rear under cornering that would be the only thing I'd want fixed (and I'd probably just live with it and call it character).
The new one will have IRS. The benchmark for the current Mustang was the M3 so no-one should underestimate this car when, not if, it arrives here.I'd love to flood the coupe market with interesting RHD stuff from the US. Having spent 3 weeks in a 2012 Mustang the interior is fine, it's the little lurch/settle at the rear under cornering that would be the only thing I'd want fixed (and I'd probably just live with it and call it character).
It's success will rely on its emissions, simple as that.
The Nur said:
I can imagine that if this is true there will be an awful lot of near-new cars running about with the original lump ripped out mercilessly and a crate motor wedged in. You know, to get things to the way they should be.
fking turbo four in a 'Stang? Get fked Ford. Get fked.
Quite right, never ever has anyone thought of a turbo 4 in a Mustang before... f
king turbo four in a 'Stang? Get fked Ford. Get fked.
80's Mustang SVO 2.3 Turbo
Mykap said:
300bhp/ton said:
As for RHD? Probably not, I mean who'd buy it? Nissan stuggle to sell the 370z even at competitive prices. A perceived gas guzzling V8 Stang from Ford and America just doesn't meet with British ideals. VED would kill it straight off too and every magazine would want to compare it to a BMW M3 costing twice as much and then moan about the Ford's interior.
Hope they don't go RHD. I'd prefer to import one in LHD and benefit from the cars uniqueness over here,low VED rate and have it as a V8.
I also hope this is an accurate rendering of what the guys saw as it will verify my decision to wait for the new shape was correct. Love it.
They imported the Fox Mustang in RHD many years ago. Did we get the 5.0 V8 or even the 2.3 Turbo 4 SVO model (at the time the fastest most powerful Stang). Nope they offered a noddy under powered 3.3 Essex V6 version that under performed everything and looked pretty dreadful too.
300bhp/ton said:
As for RHD? Probably not, I mean who'd buy it? Nissan stuggle to sell the 370z even at competitive prices. A perceived gas guzzling V8 Stang from Ford and America just doesn't meet with British ideals. VED would kill it straight off too and every magazine would want to compare it to a BMW M3 costing twice as much and then moan about the Ford's interior.
Or they'll get it right in that the magazines compare it favourably to the M3 for half the money, along the lines of the whole giant killer thing.I can't wait to see it over here - Ford really need some more sporty models to push the perceived dynamic value of the brand, since they've already got the actual dynamics right (and have done for some time).
Just done two weeks in the current 5.0 and loved it and that rendering looks like a logical evolution.
Positives
Performance was good
More nimble than you would ever imagine
Noise is sublime
decent vicibility compared to a Camaro
Quite approachable and forgiving
Negatives
Interior would offend Audi owners
thirsty, though I suspect high end Audi's and BMW's are similar if provoked
A bit bit jiggly at the rear
Gearchange on the one I had was a bit hit and miss
Think we do need a RHD UK version and it needs to be faster and cheaper than the German stuff.
Positives
Performance was good
More nimble than you would ever imagine
Noise is sublime
decent vicibility compared to a Camaro
Quite approachable and forgiving
Negatives
Interior would offend Audi owners
thirsty, though I suspect high end Audi's and BMW's are similar if provoked
A bit bit jiggly at the rear
Gearchange on the one I had was a bit hit and miss
Think we do need a RHD UK version and it needs to be faster and cheaper than the German stuff.
300bhp/ton said:
I think the biggest trouble with RHD, is not only will be be low volume, so difficult to source bespoke parts in later years. But the Yanks think us Brits don't like fast performance.
They imported the Fox Mustang in RHD many years ago. Did we get the 5.0 V8 or even the 2.3 Turbo 4 SVO model (at the time the fastest most powerful Stang). Nope they offered a noddy under powered 3.3 Essex V6 version that under performed everything and looked pretty dreadful too.
I think you seriously underestimate the fact that Ford intend making this a world car. That is why it looks similar to the new European Ford styling, to fit into the range and EVEN if the unthinkable happens and it ends up with a diesel to compete with BMW, I suspect it will be here to stay. Given they have benchmarked the M3, i also don't think you need worry that they think Europeans don't like performance cars.They imported the Fox Mustang in RHD many years ago. Did we get the 5.0 V8 or even the 2.3 Turbo 4 SVO model (at the time the fastest most powerful Stang). Nope they offered a noddy under powered 3.3 Essex V6 version that under performed everything and looked pretty dreadful too.
You're also wrong about the engines. The Mustang IIs they sold here as imports had the Cologne V6 and the Fox Mustang Ghia had the 100hp 3.3 litre straight six because it was easier to convert to RHD using a proprietary EU RHD steering rack but that was converted in Belgium. These were also specialist imports not something you could buty in a local Ford dealer. This new car will be RHD by design.
Mustangs began as a six cylinder, the V8 was an afterthought forced by the success of the Pontiac GTO. Iacocca tried to bring it back to its roots with the II which actually sold very well. Mustangs have ALWAYS been about volume sales fed by six (and four) cylinder variants without which the V8s would not be financially viable.
The legendary status of cars like the Escort RS1800 and 2000 have never been diluted by the fact they sold as 1100 runabouts and neither did the Capri 2.8i ever suffer by having 1300 derivatives, it just made the market bigger. Would, for example, a 1.0 Ecoboost Mustang sell? It probably would...in droves...but much deopends on where in the market Ford pitch the car.
The ONLY important point in any car like the Mustang is that they DO offer a high power version even if the V8/VED issue makes that particular model untenable. Its no good sticking your head in a historic past where 6.6 litre V8s were the norm when you're talking mainstream cars in 2014 Europe and it certainly doesn't stop the success of £35k Golf GTIs compared to the lesser bread and butter Golfs.
The more you think about it, the crazier Ford would have to be NOT to sell this car with small engines just as long as they keep big engines to keep the icing on the cake.
Well the plans being leaked down are that the initial cars will be a 2.3 Ecoboost 250bhp turbo four and the 300 plus bhp V6.
My guess is that the way they are received and sell will dictate what their next move will be but if the 2.3 4 cylinder Ecoboost fits, so will everything else, at minimal cost.
I'm not sure how well mainstream coupes sell in the UK though especially as "coupe" has been bastardised to include what are basically 3 door hatches. The only obvious competitor would be a BMW 3 series coupe if the size remains about the same or slightly shorter than the current car or Audi Sportbacks and TTs and Peugeot RCZs possibly, none of the latter being pure RWD.
I also wonder whether Ford can afford not to actually make this a hatchback rather than the present coupe though that might impact on their traditional convertible (though the Fox had coupe, fastback nhatch and convertible).
My guess is that the way they are received and sell will dictate what their next move will be but if the 2.3 4 cylinder Ecoboost fits, so will everything else, at minimal cost.
I'm not sure how well mainstream coupes sell in the UK though especially as "coupe" has been bastardised to include what are basically 3 door hatches. The only obvious competitor would be a BMW 3 series coupe if the size remains about the same or slightly shorter than the current car or Audi Sportbacks and TTs and Peugeot RCZs possibly, none of the latter being pure RWD.
I also wonder whether Ford can afford not to actually make this a hatchback rather than the present coupe though that might impact on their traditional convertible (though the Fox had coupe, fastback nhatch and convertible).
LuS1fer said:
I like that, the only area I am not sure about is the rear quarter panel shoulder line, it is perhaps a little too similar to the Dodge Charger.I wonder what sort of effect would a RHD Mustang have on the prices/desirability of the previous generation models that have been imported?
aka_kerrly said:
I like that, the only area I am not sure about is the rear quarter panel shoulder line, it is perhaps a little too similar to the Dodge Charger.
I wonder what sort of effect would a RHD Mustang have on the prices/desirability of the previous generation models that have been imported?
I suppose that depends on how many they sell. I wonder what sort of effect would a RHD Mustang have on the prices/desirability of the previous generation models that have been imported?
It will still be RWD and however many cylinders it gets, it will still pack some power and will still (hopefully) look like a Mustang. How "similar" will this be to the older ideal of a Mustang will be key.
There isn't really a precedent for any solely LHD Yank suddenly becoming RHD but I imagine most people will be perfectly happy with a Euro-Mustang and the associated faster depreciation.
Emissions will also be crucial as current Mustangs get away with £220 a year VED and probably cheaper specialist insurance which RHD will remove.
The difference between 4 banger and V8 will also be eroded by the availability of remaps and superchargers from the US I would guess. The aftermarket is truly vast for Mustangs.
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