3 phase motor help please
3 phase motor help please
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db

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724 posts

198 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Hi, I need advice (in simple terms) about an electrical problem.
I have an industrial mixer that has started cutting out at random times. The main drive is 3 phase 11 KW, 20 years old but only runs an hour or so a day.
Do these things tend to work or not work, or is it possible that general wear could cause random stopping?
Another problem (possibly related?) is that a couple of times recently the material being mixed has partially compacted in the mixer. When turning the main drive on, the blades don't turn and the fuses blow (old type ceramic holder with fuse wire) I'm using 35 A wire, is this too heavy, not heavy enough, or about right?
Forgive my ignorance, any advice greatly appreciated.

McSam

6,753 posts

204 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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What voltage is its feed at? I presume 240V mains power.. If so, no wonder it keeps blowing fuses, as 11kW at 240V requires 45.8 amps - so you will probably want a 50A fuse wire.

1point7bar

1,305 posts

177 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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3 phase is 415v




saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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McSam said:
What voltage is its feed at? I presume 240V mains power.. If so, no wonder it keeps blowing fuses, as 11kW at 240V requires 45.8 amps - so you will probably want a 50A fuse wire.
Is that 15A per phase?

897sma

3,606 posts

173 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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McSam said:
What voltage is its feed at? I presume 240V mains power.. If so, no wonder it keeps blowing fuses, as 11kW at 240V requires 45.8 amps - so you will probably want a 50A fuse wire.
3phase is 415V!!! So 11kW is 26A

1point7bar

1,305 posts

177 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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11kw @ 415v is 26.5 A


You might have burnt out the soft start capacitor.

The starting load on big electric motor is more than the duty cycle.

McSam

6,753 posts

204 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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I know some electrotech theory, but don't use industrial machinery wink thanks for the info. As said above, then, the fuses will be absolutely fine!

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

217 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Is it fed direct on line (star/delta possibly), by a soft start, or by a variable frequency drive (an "inverter") ?

To check the motor, remove all power, check if it is wired open ended to a star/delta setup, or is hard wired in either star or delta.

You will have three windings, they should all have equal resistance, then meggar them to earth, for a 415v motor, use at least a 1000v meggar.

Once you're satisfied the windings seem ok, check bearings etc, ( I've even come across motors with faulty bearings that will rotate freely in one direction, but be hard/impossible to turn in the other direction).

Once that is done, monitor the current on each phase using a "clip on", note it will need to be capable of reading variable frequency if you are using an inverter, as standard clip ons, for the uk market, will be setup to operate on 50Hz.

If the above doesn't make sense, leave it alone, and get somebody to check it for you.

If you need it checked for you, what part of the UK are you in ?


db

Original Poster:

724 posts

198 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Nigel Worc's said:
Is it fed direct on line (star/delta possibly), by a soft start, or by a variable frequency drive (an "inverter") ?

To check the motor, remove all power, check if it is wired open ended to a star/delta setup, or is hard wired in either star or delta.

You will have three windings, they should all have equal resistance, then meggar them to earth, for a 415v motor, use at least a 1000v meggar.

Once you're satisfied the windings seem ok, check bearings etc, ( I've even come across motors with faulty bearings that will rotate freely in one direction, but be hard/impossible to turn in the other direction).

Once that is done, monitor the current on each phase using a "clip on", note it will need to be capable of reading variable frequency if you are using an inverter, as standard clip ons, for the uk market, will be setup to operate on 50Hz.

If the above doesn't make sense, leave it alone, and get somebody to check it for you.

If you need it checked for you, what part of the UK are you in ?
I think fed direct but this only proves that I don't have a clue frown
Time to find a man that does have a clue. Glasgow based.

Thanks for your advice

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

217 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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db said:
I think fed direct but this only proves that I don't have a clue frown
Time to find a man that does have a clue. Glasgow based.

Thanks for your advice
I have a friend who is an onsite engineer in Greenock, (I may actually be coming up within the next week to look at some position controller issues he has), if you're stuck, I can ask him if he'll have a squint for you.