Would you trust this?
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Bincenzo

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2,606 posts

208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Hi Chaps,
I'm selling a £20k car privately and have been contacted by a car dealer in Peterborough who have offered to take the car from me on a guaranteed sale agreement. Essentially, they have it and have guaranteed me a price which will be payable either after they've sold it or a maximum of 60 days ie if they haven't sold it by then they effectively buy it off me. The price offered is only just shy of what I was asking privately, but they say that they move stock quickly and make a relatively small profit on cars.

Has anybody heard of this type of arrangement before and what are the risks?

Cheers

ging84

9,548 posts

175 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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sounds like a very clever way to run a used car dealers, you can fill a car lot without investing anything in stock

I suspect the risk other than it being a total scam is that they won't make good on their promise to buy it if they've not sold it in 60 days. You would also want to see proof that it would be insured while in their hands

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

241 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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No I wouldn't trust it. Get them to give you the money when they take the car, otherwise you're funding their cashflow.

Also, what happens when they go bust in the period of collecting the money from their customer and paying out to you.

markcjd

1,558 posts

216 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Wouldn't touch it with a long pole.

We often purchased stock from private ads, autotrader and the like but we always paid in full at the time of collection.

In addition to the above mentioned you will have no guarantee that the dealer has the funds to purchase your vehicle at the end of the agreed period.

CampDavid

9,145 posts

227 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Last time this came up someone posted this link, which makes for depressing, if accurate, reading

Bincenzo

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2,606 posts

208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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They appear to be kosher, and advertise regularly on the PH classifieds. They have sent me a draft contract and T&Cs which all seem to add up, and have advised that the car will be insured under their trade insurance. I'd clearly need to see proof. My worry is that if they go into liquidation, does my car go with it? I will hold the V5 until they sell it, so I guess it basically my car parked at their premises if that we're to happen?

Bincenzo

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208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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CampDavid said:
Last time this came up someone posted this link, which makes for depressing, if accurate, reading
Can't see the link chum ,but it seems like I need to read it!

monthefish

20,467 posts

260 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Bincenzo said:
I will hold the V5 until they sell it, so I guess it basically my car parked at their premises if that we're to happen?
Careful.

The V5 details the 'Registered keeper' and not the 'Legal owner'.

A subtle distinction perhaps, but a very important one (especially in a situation such as this)

Jasandjules

72,596 posts

258 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Bincenzo said:
They appear to be kosher, and advertise regularly on the PH classifieds. They have sent me a draft contract and T&Cs which all seem to add up, and have advised that the car will be insured under their trade insurance. I'd clearly need to see proof. My worry is that if they go into liquidation, does my car go with it? I will hold the V5 until they sell it, so I guess it basically my car parked at their premises if that we're to happen?
What do the T&Cs see about transfer of ownership?!!?

Terzo204

387 posts

185 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Sale or Return can work. I sold my last Lotus this way, you just have to do all your checks

Bincenzo

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2,606 posts

208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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monthefish said:
Bincenzo said:
I will hold the V5 until they sell it, so I guess it basically my car parked at their premises if that we're to happen?
Careful.

The V5 details the 'Registered keeper' and not the 'Legal owner'.

A subtle distinction perhaps, but a very important one (especially in a situation such as this)
Ooh, now you've got me thinking! What's the definition of the legal owner?

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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CampDavid said:
Last time this came up someone posted this link, which makes for depressing, if accurate, reading
I think that was me and this is the sad tale - no winners all round and a very salutary warning about sale or return deals.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

186 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Be very careful.

There was a motorcycle dealer in Market Harborough that did similar then went pop owing loads of innocent owners loads of money.

Winky151

1,280 posts

170 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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My concern would be that you're giving them 60 days to get the car out of the country/clone/dispose of it before you even check on it again.

littleredrooster

6,376 posts

225 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Be very careful.

There was a motorcycle dealer in Market Harborough that did similar then went pop owing loads of innocent owners loads of money.
That ended tragically when he jumped off a cliff because of his conscience. Not many people knew the ending to that story...

Bincenzo

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2,606 posts

208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Jasandjules said:
What do the T&Cs see about transfer of ownership?!!?
First line states the vehicle remains the property of the supplier (me) until one of the following is met.....vehicle is sold or company have paid the guaranteed sum as agreed etc...after the 60 days

jamoor

14,506 posts

244 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Yeah, if they're so confident they will sell it in 60 days, why not jsut buy it?

9mm

3,128 posts

239 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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This is exactly the business model that was being used behind a garage in Worthing (Portland Road) for those that know it. They closed down and vanished overnight, along with several cars that did not belong to them. Run away very fast.

J3PTF

265 posts

187 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Bincenzo said:
Hi Chaps,
I'm selling a £20k car privately and have been contacted by a car dealer in Peterborough who have offered to take the car from me on a guaranteed sale agreement.
With a name like a Spanish motorway?

Bincenzo

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2,606 posts

208 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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J3PTF said:
Bincenzo said:
Hi Chaps,
I'm selling a £20k car privately and have been contacted by a car dealer in Peterborough who have offered to take the car from me on a guaranteed sale agreement.
With a name like a Spanish motorway?
That's the one. Any thoughts? Be very grateful