XF - Facelift or not?
Discussion
Up to £30K to spend, and Jag XFs fall onto my list of potential cars.
It will easily buy me a nearly new Luxury model Even a Premium Luxury eith either the 3.0 diesel or the smaller 4 pot diesel.
The same money can buy me a few months older but old shape Portfolio model with every toy you could want.
(I am willing to be talked into an XFR, as fuel consumption though important is not ultimately a deal breaker. I already pay top whack tax M band or whatever it is.)
I prefer the look of the older car, but as I would be intending on keeping a Jag for 5 years or so, I suppose I want the most up to date model.
So apart from the "improved" front end treatment, in what ways are the Facelift cars better?
Would I be better off getting the old shape with all the toys, or the present generation Premium Luxury model?
And what's this 4 cylinder engine all about? I guess its the same lump as the Land-rover SD4.
A 4 cylinder oil burner in a Jag? Not sure if that's the Jag dream I had in mind.
Just as a bit of background.
The decision to change has been prompted by a change in circumstances. I work from home, and my wife's new job is less than a mile from home. No need for two cars.
The car would be used on that very short commute only when it was raining, otherwise she's going to walk. Each week on average, the car will go aon a 260 mile Motorway, A Road and B Road round trip, so economy and performance are both important.
In terms of the old Ford Capri, This will be the car i always promised myself. I was brought home from hospital in 1970 in a new XJ6, and at the earliest possible age I just remember associating jaguar with "Car" I have meant to buy one for years, but every time a new car time arrived, a reason has come up to buy something else. I have repeatedly chickened out of buying into some old Jag or other.
I think now is the time, I got one and got it out of my system.
It will easily buy me a nearly new Luxury model Even a Premium Luxury eith either the 3.0 diesel or the smaller 4 pot diesel.
The same money can buy me a few months older but old shape Portfolio model with every toy you could want.
(I am willing to be talked into an XFR, as fuel consumption though important is not ultimately a deal breaker. I already pay top whack tax M band or whatever it is.)
I prefer the look of the older car, but as I would be intending on keeping a Jag for 5 years or so, I suppose I want the most up to date model.
So apart from the "improved" front end treatment, in what ways are the Facelift cars better?
Would I be better off getting the old shape with all the toys, or the present generation Premium Luxury model?
And what's this 4 cylinder engine all about? I guess its the same lump as the Land-rover SD4.
A 4 cylinder oil burner in a Jag? Not sure if that's the Jag dream I had in mind.
Just as a bit of background.
The decision to change has been prompted by a change in circumstances. I work from home, and my wife's new job is less than a mile from home. No need for two cars.
The car would be used on that very short commute only when it was raining, otherwise she's going to walk. Each week on average, the car will go aon a 260 mile Motorway, A Road and B Road round trip, so economy and performance are both important.
In terms of the old Ford Capri, This will be the car i always promised myself. I was brought home from hospital in 1970 in a new XJ6, and at the earliest possible age I just remember associating jaguar with "Car" I have meant to buy one for years, but every time a new car time arrived, a reason has come up to buy something else. I have repeatedly chickened out of buying into some old Jag or other.
I think now is the time, I got one and got it out of my system.
If I was lucky enough to be in that situation it would have to be the XFR. They're available for a chunk under 30k (not the facelift model, though)
That will have all the toys and it will be a lot of an occasion when you jump in and fire it up! Not to mention 500bhp!
I'd also suggest it may be more reliable than the diesel models..
That will have all the toys and it will be a lot of an occasion when you jump in and fire it up! Not to mention 500bhp!
I'd also suggest it may be more reliable than the diesel models..
thanks for that. I am all for reasons for me to get an XFR!
My present car does 28 on a run, less round town. For the odd 2 mile commute, the fact an XFR will drink a huge gulp of petrol should be OK. It won't be an everyday thing.
Apart from the usual shopping trips, and local journeys, the car will more or less stand idle for days before this decent weekly blast to Scotland. I like the A75 but overtaking trucks is something I like to do as swiflty as possible. The XFR would be able to do that with few problems.
wildcat45 said:
thanks for that. I am all for reasons for me to get an XFR!
My present car does 28 on a run, less round town. For the odd 2 mile commute, the fact an XFR will drink a huge gulp of petrol should be OK. It won't be an everyday thing.
Apart from the usual shopping trips, and local journeys, the car will more or less stand idle for days before this decent weekly blast to Scotland. I like the A75 but overtaking trucks is something I like to do as swiflty as possible. The XFR would be able to do that with few problems.
The 3.0D will have no problem overtaking anything travelling at any normal speeds - and the fun of the XFR will be largely cancelled out by having to refill every 250 miles. Sub-20mpg gets very boring, very quickly, and the car will devalue like a falling rock. Lovely to drive, considerably less lovely to own.My present car does 28 on a run, less round town. For the odd 2 mile commute, the fact an XFR will drink a huge gulp of petrol should be OK. It won't be an everyday thing.
Apart from the usual shopping trips, and local journeys, the car will more or less stand idle for days before this decent weekly blast to Scotland. I like the A75 but overtaking trucks is something I like to do as swiflty as possible. The XFR would be able to do that with few problems.
First and foremost, are you definately going to be able to do the 260 of motorway/A and B road driving because a few mile commute will almost certainly breed DPF problems very quickly.
Personally speaking I prefer the 3.0 by quite some margin over the 2.2. The 2.2 isn't bad by any means but the extra grunt of the V6 is somewhat noticeable. As for the Pre vs Post facelift question, personally it makes no odds, I'd just go with whatever has the best spec.
Personally speaking I prefer the 3.0 by quite some margin over the 2.2. The 2.2 isn't bad by any means but the extra grunt of the V6 is somewhat noticeable. As for the Pre vs Post facelift question, personally it makes no odds, I'd just go with whatever has the best spec.
Yes I guess an XFR would be a great way to drain some well in the North Sea, and I guess sticking to 60 in a car that will cruise at well more than twice that will get me an introduction into the points system at the DVLA.
I am confused about spec levels.
There are Sport and SE models, I guess these come below or replace the Luxury and Premium Luxury models.
Are these things (I am alkign diesels here) time or mileage based servicing? I reckon the car would probably be closing up 10K a year.
I'm coming round to the idea of the smaller engine car.
The XFR will have no problem overtaking anything travelling at any normal speeds - and the supposed economy of the diesel will be largely cancelled out by the higher purchase price of the car and the fuel. Plus- 35 mpg gets very boring, very quickly, and the car will break down thanks to a modern, over-complicated diesel engine. The DPF loves short commutes
Lovely to drive, considerably less lovely to own.Edited by V88Dicky on Sunday 4th November 09:19
My old man has had both a pre and post facelift car, one a 3.0d and one a 3.0ds.
The s is lovely car, really fast but of kit and more than enough for everyday use. However, in real world terms, the non s is not noticeably slower unless you are really hammering it, it's still a very quick car. Both sound better than the 4 pots...
The face lifted car also did over 40mpg as it had start stop (not sure when this came in) against the non facelift struggling to get over 30.
In terms of spec, he came down from a portfolio to a premium luxury and hasn't missed anything. The stereo in either is awesome, the new one has meridan against the portfolio bowers and Wilkins.
Personally, I'd get face lifted 3.0ds and not be too hung up on spec, so long as it isn't an entry level car it'll have good toys in it.
The s is lovely car, really fast but of kit and more than enough for everyday use. However, in real world terms, the non s is not noticeably slower unless you are really hammering it, it's still a very quick car. Both sound better than the 4 pots...
The face lifted car also did over 40mpg as it had start stop (not sure when this came in) against the non facelift struggling to get over 30.
In terms of spec, he came down from a portfolio to a premium luxury and hasn't missed anything. The stereo in either is awesome, the new one has meridan against the portfolio bowers and Wilkins.
Personally, I'd get face lifted 3.0ds and not be too hung up on spec, so long as it isn't an entry level car it'll have good toys in it.
Wasn't the facelift when they switched from the 6 to 8 speed auto?
Also they played with the standard spec - I think they briefly removed the heated front windscreen for example. Also of the 'S' models they made some changes to the suspension settings iirc
Great deals to be had on the pre-facelift cars though, I did look at one point myself about 8 months ago - great portfolio 3.0DS at my local dealer for £40k, same car now available at £30k.
Also they played with the standard spec - I think they briefly removed the heated front windscreen for example. Also of the 'S' models they made some changes to the suspension settings iirc
Great deals to be had on the pre-facelift cars though, I did look at one point myself about 8 months ago - great portfolio 3.0DS at my local dealer for £40k, same car now available at £30k.
There is quite a gulf between the 2.2D and an XFR! The SE and sport are 2.2 specific trims I think. Premium luxury gives you all the toys you'll ever need.
I do think the facelift makes the car look fresher and if you are gong for a Diesel I'd definitely get a newer version, the 3.0 in either guise will give plenty of performance and is very smooth. I'd have a pre-facelift XFR above anything else though, it really is like a different car.
I do think the facelift makes the car look fresher and if you are gong for a Diesel I'd definitely get a newer version, the 3.0 in either guise will give plenty of performance and is very smooth. I'd have a pre-facelift XFR above anything else though, it really is like a different car.
wildcat45 said:
Cheers for that
What is LCI - a Jag code like X300?
Sorry, it was BMW's facelift in March 2007 "Life Cycle Impulse" of the 5 series - slight exterior changes, but new gearbox, improved suspension, better interior trim, revised engines, etc. They are worth £2,000 - £3,000 more than the last of the pre facelifted.What is LCI - a Jag code like X300?
wildcat45 said:
Yes I guess an XFR would be a great way to drain some well in the North Sea, and I guess sticking to 60 in a car that will cruise at well more than twice that will get me an introduction into the points system at the DVLA.
I am confused about spec levels.
There are Sport and SE models, I guess these come below or replace the Luxury and Premium Luxury models.
Are these things (I am alkign diesels here) time or mileage based servicing? I reckon the car would probably be closing up 10K a year.
I'm coming round to the idea of the smaller engine car.
Sport has the Aero pack (side skirts, deeper front spoiler, boot spoiler, black grill), polished black inlays inside instead of the wood grain (this is what made me go for the Sport). It has a few other things over others and a few less things over others (not keyless entry for example).I am confused about spec levels.
There are Sport and SE models, I guess these come below or replace the Luxury and Premium Luxury models.
Are these things (I am alkign diesels here) time or mileage based servicing? I reckon the car would probably be closing up 10K a year.
I'm coming round to the idea of the smaller engine car.
Service every 12months or 14,000 miles.
Have a look at my profile to see mine. Italian Racing Red is the colour.
Red makes a change from the crop of silver and grey ones out there.
If I was to order one new, I'd go for a colour like that or perhaps a dark green if they do one. The old Jaguar Racing Green.
Thinking about this, how affordable would a new one be?
Obviously I would be looking at a lower spec, but I could get to select the colour I want.
I guess the only kit I really would like would be.
Leather with heating
Auto lights.
Auto Wipers,
Cruise,
And perhaps some wheels that don't look tiny.
I am all for getting nearly new, but over 5 years of ownership, depreciation won't be that big a worry, and I could at least get a colour combination I love rather than one that I like.
Is a 30K budget a bit ambitious?
If I was to order one new, I'd go for a colour like that or perhaps a dark green if they do one. The old Jaguar Racing Green.
Thinking about this, how affordable would a new one be?
Obviously I would be looking at a lower spec, but I could get to select the colour I want.
I guess the only kit I really would like would be.
Leather with heating
Auto lights.
Auto Wipers,
Cruise,
And perhaps some wheels that don't look tiny.
I am all for getting nearly new, but over 5 years of ownership, depreciation won't be that big a worry, and I could at least get a colour combination I love rather than one that I like.
Is a 30K budget a bit ambitious?
That might be worth considering. I expect using Jag finance, a new registration on the books and the like, I could get a decent discount.
Its what to do with the two cars I have. Part Ex the MX5 - its only a year old with a few mils on it. The CX7 - I don't know. I am uttersly crap at sellign cars privately. Don't mind buying, but selling has always ended up with me passing the car off to someone I know.
Its a decent car, and I would keep it but I don't need it, and it will take up a lot of space. Plus its bought and paid for so there is a few quid in it.
50 Odd K on the clock. 5 years old in December, FSH but a lot of stone chips from charging round Scotland once a week since new.
Perhaps a question for the car salesman thred. Take both in PX?
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