help?! second hand engine broken after two days
help?! second hand engine broken after two days
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Petrolhead_Rich

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4,659 posts

222 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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ok, so my volvo has had an oil habit for a while, it was bought from a dealer with a used car warranty but after several attempts never got fixed, its now 14,000 miles over the warranty mileage limit but started leaking badly, got it recovered to them, was the crankshaft oil seal, but after replacing the seal they found the big end bearings had gone causing the second seal to fail.

So after discussions i got a used engine, took it to them, they fitted it along with new clutch i supplied and they also fitted a timing belt.

Once fitted they started it and found there was no oil pressure so swapped the oil pump over from my engine and then after getting it back together a second time found the vvt pulley was fked so swapped that too.

Two days later, £1300 parts &labour to dealer, £160 for a clutch, £350 for the engine, £300 worth of tyres all in the same week ive moved house, so im now totally skint.

Then on my way home, engine gets rattly followed by flickering of "oil pressure low" that in the space off 100yds is now a distinct big end bearing noise.

Ive got literally no cash, dealer will point at engine and wash their hands, breaker will say its dealer swapping the oil pump.

Suggestions anyone?

As you can imagine in the middle of a house move im absolutely stressed about this, ive had to borrow cash from parents to pay for car + hire car & have nothing left, any suggestions?

Car is hpi clear, 55plate with 115,000 on, is it worth auctioning?

jamoor

14,506 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Hmm, £2k in on repairs, surely a 7 year old volvo with 115k on it isn't worth much more?

carreauchompeur

18,323 posts

234 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Ouch, what a ste situation. You're quite right though, dealer will definitely wash their hands regarding the s/h engine.


Petrolhead_Rich said:
is it worth auctioning?
No.

FreeLitres

6,128 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Sounds like some tough luck!

You might need to change your username now

Petrolhead_Rich

Original Poster:

4,659 posts

222 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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jamoor said:
Hmm, £2k in on repairs, surely a 7 year old volvo with 115k on it isn't worth much more?
Indeed, but figured that then having everything done it would give a few more years trouble free motoring?!

Gutted just isnt the word!

juan king

1,093 posts

219 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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I have nothing to add, but keep your chin up! These things come to test us.

gavgavgav

1,569 posts

259 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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what was the warranty on the used engine?

jbi

12,700 posts

234 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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at this point I would be trying to make some friends on the volvo forum's...

jamoor

14,506 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Also, spending £1300 on a fix that *might* work is a bit silly imo.

I would want a rebuild with a warranty.

infradig

978 posts

237 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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A less honest man might be tempted not to mention the oil pump swap to the breaker that supplied the engine, especially since it obviously had a fault when it was first installed.

confused_buyer

7,130 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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The breaker might take the engine back but you have to pay to have it removed...then another one fitted.


jjones

4,489 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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i would persue the garage that fitted it rather than the breaker. the reason is the guarantee with thte breaker will only cover the parts - not the labour you paid to fit the "faulty" part. the garage will no doubt try to blame the breakers yard.

do you have legal cover on your car insurance, might be worth a phone call to check their advice.

carreauchompeur

18,323 posts

234 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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confused_buyer said:
The breaker might take the engine back but you have to pay to have it removed...then another one fitted.
Yeah, I had this with a Nissan Primera many moons ago. An unwise auction purchase with a sludgy engine. Local garage tinkered with it, causing the oil pump to block and me to lose the big end on the M5.

Ended up buying a s/h engine from a place in Manchester, fitted by local garage. Then that was using masses of oil... Ended up driving up to Manchester and they fitted another engine for £100. In fairness, the second engine was absolutely spot on.

cra1gy1989

293 posts

174 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Where are you? If you do want to get the engine out and your close enough to me, id be more than happy to help, I have nothing better to do!

y2blade

56,321 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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juan king said:
I have nothing to add, but keep your chin up! These things come to test us.
This^^^

Tough times Rich, I feel for you. frown
sorry I can't help or offer any advice.


Edit to add: As Alex said above, it must be worth breaking and selling parts? if you have the facility and ability.


Edited by y2blade on Thursday 8th November 22:48

y2blade

56,321 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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OP I've PM'd you

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

182 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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jjones said:
i would persue the garage that fitted it rather than the breaker. the reason is the guarantee with thte breaker will only cover the parts - not the labour you paid to fit the "faulty" part. the garage will no doubt try to blame the breakers yard.

do you have legal cover on your car insurance, might be worth a phone call to check their advice.
Unless the OP was willing to pay the fitting garage to strip and inspect the second-hand engine before proceeding to fit it, why would they be liable for anything if the engine that HE procured then turns out to be a dud?

The engine started and ran, they noted the low oil pressure and swapped the pump to rectify it. Unless they left it leaking or something before he drove away, I think his only recourse is against the place that sold the engine.

This thread has been rumbling for a few days now:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

4key

12,105 posts

178 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Commiserations, not a good thing to happen.

Quite a regular routine and the breakers yard will in all probability swap you another engine that they will also be taking an educated guess on, its ok doing things like this when you are swapping the lumps about yourself but not when you are paying a mechanic.

Bite the bullet, your volvo is dead and you need a cheap snotter whilst you decide wether to break it or flog it as scrap/non runner. Its a big gamble for not much gain if you hand over more money to a mechanic for labour.

rallycross

13,754 posts

267 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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Try and get a cheap £400 runner and fix the Volvo later when funds allow - but try to get a replacement engine off the breaker now for fitting later. Hope it gets sorted with minimum costs...

General Madness

365 posts

182 months

Thursday 8th November 2012
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To be honest I would be checking the respective VIN numbers to ensure said garage is not pulling a fast one and possibly selling on or keeping the working secondhand engine.