Mercedes still make 6.0 v12s yet Clio RS is a turbo auto?
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GroundEffect said:
Who would buy a Clio that was £1030 to tax in its first year then £475 after? That's what a C63 AMG is.
I wasnt suggesting that the next gen clio Rs should have a 6 liter v12, merely wondering why an n/a 2.0 is near impossible to pass emissions tests when a 6 liter v12 can?Benbay001 said:
GroundEffect said:
Who would buy a Clio that was £1030 to tax in its first year then £475 after? That's what a C63 AMG is.
I wasnt suggesting that the next gen clio Rs should have a 6 liter v12, merely wondering why an n/a 2.0 is near impossible to pass emissions tests when a 6 liter v12 can?You are comparing cars that are so different they are almost incomparable.
A V12 mercedes is not aimed at a mass market to be mass produced and to sell thousands and thousands, it appeals to a select number of people who have plenty of money and fuel economy/tax is not on their list of things to care about, nor is the cost of the car itself.
A renault clio is designed for the mass market, it is designed to be affordable to everyone and part of being affordable is to have reasonable running costs which means a car that is cheap to tax and is capable of excellent fuel economy (For the power available) is highly desireable to alot of people.
It is no secret that the days of N/A engines in mass produced cars are numbered, all core manufacturers are going that way even with their non hot hatch models. We will always have N/A engines in those few special cars, but your average cars will all be charged within a few years.
A V12 mercedes is not aimed at a mass market to be mass produced and to sell thousands and thousands, it appeals to a select number of people who have plenty of money and fuel economy/tax is not on their list of things to care about, nor is the cost of the car itself.
A renault clio is designed for the mass market, it is designed to be affordable to everyone and part of being affordable is to have reasonable running costs which means a car that is cheap to tax and is capable of excellent fuel economy (For the power available) is highly desireable to alot of people.
It is no secret that the days of N/A engines in mass produced cars are numbered, all core manufacturers are going that way even with their non hot hatch models. We will always have N/A engines in those few special cars, but your average cars will all be charged within a few years.
Costs, plain and simple.
Renault aint having a great time at the moment sales wise, the 2.0 engine to add to the issue is old. To totally re-engineer it to get the emissions down and fuel consumption improved significantly would cost too much for what they could return selling the cars.
If Honda had to can the V-tec for the same reason and they coudlnt afford it Renault has no hope at all to do the same with an old engine.
The 1.6 engine is in the parts bin from Nissan so nice and cheap, the auto helps massage the CO2 figures.
Simple economics from within a car company im afraid.
Renault aint having a great time at the moment sales wise, the 2.0 engine to add to the issue is old. To totally re-engineer it to get the emissions down and fuel consumption improved significantly would cost too much for what they could return selling the cars.
If Honda had to can the V-tec for the same reason and they coudlnt afford it Renault has no hope at all to do the same with an old engine.
The 1.6 engine is in the parts bin from Nissan so nice and cheap, the auto helps massage the CO2 figures.
Simple economics from within a car company im afraid.
Benbay001 said:
GroundEffect said:
Who would buy a Clio that was £1030 to tax in its first year then £475 after? That's what a C63 AMG is.
I wasnt suggesting that the next gen clio Rs should have a 6 liter v12, merely wondering why an n/a 2.0 is near impossible to pass emissions tests when a 6 liter v12 can?300bhp/ton said:
Dusty964 said:
I'm not convinced that they only look at the UK market when they design these things.
Quite right. A V12 Merc will be aimed at the US aand Asian markets too, where frankly big engines are more the norm. Renault don't sell anything in the USA.
Mind you, petrol is only 'not very much at all', so no one really cares!
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