Why would you choose a manual gearbox these days?
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sat1983 said:
The only motor I'd buy with a manual gearbox is a sports car- for example 1M and the likes...
Why would you buy an Evoque (firstly) with a manual gearbox (secondly)?
If i HAD TO buy an evoque, it would definitely be AUTOWhy would you buy an Evoque (firstly) with a manual gearbox (secondly)?
Most cars I would not have in manual. Even the sports cars these days have sports orientated automatic systems, e.g. DCT, PDK, etc.
In the 20 odd years of driving I have never owned an auto.
Possibly because being a mechanic a manual box is less complicated and easier to fix. Less likely to leave you stranded when if a sensor fails.
On the driving side I enjoy being the one who selects the ratios when I want it.
Some of the autos I have driven select gears at odd moments, kick down when they felt like it and lagged well behind the shift speed of a manual.
I know that technology has moved on alot but Im stuck in the old school "stick and pedal"
Also many of todays autos are actually automated manuals. I guess because a true torque convertered auto wont stand up to 500+ bhp on a daily basis or just dulls the experience.
Possibly because being a mechanic a manual box is less complicated and easier to fix. Less likely to leave you stranded when if a sensor fails.
On the driving side I enjoy being the one who selects the ratios when I want it.
Some of the autos I have driven select gears at odd moments, kick down when they felt like it and lagged well behind the shift speed of a manual.
I know that technology has moved on alot but Im stuck in the old school "stick and pedal"
Also many of todays autos are actually automated manuals. I guess because a true torque convertered auto wont stand up to 500+ bhp on a daily basis or just dulls the experience.
Easternlight said:
Firstly because I like changing gear myself, and secondly as a buyer of 3 or4 year old cars its just some thing else that's got far too complicated and ready to cost you a fortune to fix.
When have you ever heard of some one spending thousands fixing a manual box?
Agreed manual box is less complex but dual mass flywheel reliability is another matter entirely.When have you ever heard of some one spending thousands fixing a manual box?
Jap auto for me.
I don't get the idea of only sticking to one type of gearbox.
"I'm a petrol head so I only drive petrol manuals". Alright then.
An auto works brilliantly in an S-class/Jag/7er as it suits the car. One doesn't waft so well in a self shifter.
A double clutch gearbox is fabulous in the right environment. A Nissan GTR suits it down to the ground in the same way that it works beilliants in a Golf GTI, it means you can relax in town while still enjoying the control on a country lane.
A great many cars still suit the conventional manual, I think it's a shame that BMW persist in trying to take it away from the M cars, however things have moved on and there's a great deal more to enjoy out there.
"I'm a petrol head so I only drive petrol manuals". Alright then.
An auto works brilliantly in an S-class/Jag/7er as it suits the car. One doesn't waft so well in a self shifter.
A double clutch gearbox is fabulous in the right environment. A Nissan GTR suits it down to the ground in the same way that it works beilliants in a Golf GTI, it means you can relax in town while still enjoying the control on a country lane.
A great many cars still suit the conventional manual, I think it's a shame that BMW persist in trying to take it away from the M cars, however things have moved on and there's a great deal more to enjoy out there.
For me it has to be manual or full auto, in the appropriate car.
Anything where driving can be fun it has to be a manual, even if it is slower than some of the these twin clutch things.
For something like the Evoque, I agree, it needs to be a full auto. I've always thought the Rover 75 is just wrong with a manual for example, where as it suits the MG ZT perfectly.
You wouldn't catch me putting a penny of my own money into a dual clutch gearbox. A chap at work bought himself a Audi TT 3.2 with dual clutch, in tyhe first 8 weeks he had it, it was with Audi for 6 and cost £1200, all directly connected to the gearbox...
A friend was recently looking at E36 M3's and a local specialist told him the SMG was the best thing BMW did for keeping them in work!
Anything where driving can be fun it has to be a manual, even if it is slower than some of the these twin clutch things.
For something like the Evoque, I agree, it needs to be a full auto. I've always thought the Rover 75 is just wrong with a manual for example, where as it suits the MG ZT perfectly.
You wouldn't catch me putting a penny of my own money into a dual clutch gearbox. A chap at work bought himself a Audi TT 3.2 with dual clutch, in tyhe first 8 weeks he had it, it was with Audi for 6 and cost £1200, all directly connected to the gearbox...
A friend was recently looking at E36 M3's and a local specialist told him the SMG was the best thing BMW did for keeping them in work!
Personally I wouldn't buy another manual gearbox car if I could avoid it. I can admit I used to feel the same about having a car with a 'proper gearbox' and being a staunch manual gearbox only kind of person - I'd actively take the mickey out of those that drove an automatic out of choice rather than necessity. Then I drove a car with a half decent automatic (the car I currently own) and I then saw what people talked about, they are just better so much better.
I can understand people wanting to feel like part of the machine and wanting the control that people seem to think is lacking in an automatic (it isn’t at all you just have to learn how to drive them properly) plus an automatic shift cuts out any variables in the gearshift for racing
I can understand people wanting to feel like part of the machine and wanting the control that people seem to think is lacking in an automatic (it isn’t at all you just have to learn how to drive them properly) plus an automatic shift cuts out any variables in the gearshift for racing
IMO, Manual has its place in cars where you really need to keep the engine within a certain RPM range to get the most out of it. For example I'd never consider a ~2L turbocharged sports car in auto, or a high-revving N/A.
However for a daily driver, auto wins hands down if you just want to get form A>B with minimal stress.
Also for big engined torque mosters (like my E55k) I would NEVER consider a manual either.
However for a daily driver, auto wins hands down if you just want to get form A>B with minimal stress.
Also for big engined torque mosters (like my E55k) I would NEVER consider a manual either.
spikey78 said:
Because part of the enjoyment of driving is operating a machine ie changing gears when you want. Where's the fun in something that virtually drives itself?! Might as well play the xbox
This.The way cars are going with lane guidance systems, active steering, active brakes, stability control, ABS etc, they are a good way towards driving themselves (indeed, several cars will actually parallel park for you).
Cars that change gears by themselves (or rev-match for you, like the 350z) take some of the fun out of it.
I don't consider "operating a vehicle" as being the same thing as "driving".
Examples:
You drive an elise.
You operate a prius.
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