Agreed value insurance on a car with no modifications.
Agreed value insurance on a car with no modifications.
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SebastienClement

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1,952 posts

170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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I've tried ringing a few brokers, but it appears they're mostly closed on a Saturday. I have one ringing me back later.

I have an MG TF on a 2005 registration and I'm in a bit of a quandary over insurance. I bought the car last year and have spend a lot of time and money getting it back to scratch. Everything has been overhauled and upgrade / replacement pars fitted where necessary.

I paid £2,400 for the car and have since spent nigh on £11,000 getting it now I want it (no comments please, it's my car and ill spend money as I want!).

Obviously if I insure it and get it on the road, and it is then written off, any normal insurance company is probAly going to offer me <£1000 for it.

Most brokers that offer agreed value state on their websites that cars must be "classic or modified". I wouldn't say my car is either, really.

I realise no broker is going to settle on a value that coves the cost of everything I have had done, but it would be nice to be able to "gamble a bit less" for want of a better expression.

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Surely you haven't done £11,000 worth of work to the car and left it in exactly the spec it left the factory in? What have you done to it? You say you've fitted upgrades, those should be declared as modifications.

SebastienClement

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1,952 posts

170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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davepoth said:
Surely you haven't done £11,000 worth of work to the car and left it in exactly the spec it left the factory in? What have you done to it?
As I said updated parts have been fitted where necessary. Nothing that would constitute a "modification" though, really. Maybe it does... I don't know.

Actually the suspension stuff probably would count as mods?

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Yes you should be able to insure it at an agreed price, they'll just inflate the premium to compensate. If most are shut today prob best to wait till monday

SebastienClement

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170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Zoobeef said:
Yes you should be able to insure it at an agreed price, they'll just inflate the premium to compensate. If most are shut today prob best to wait till monday
So do you reckon it's best to insure normally and just shove a bit to one side in case the worst happened?

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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SebastienClement said:
So do you reckon it's best to insure normally and just shove a bit to one side in case the worst happened?
No I'm saying some of the company's will do agreed value. I've never done it some in not sure which ones. Its just a matter of finding one

simoid

19,774 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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SebastienClement said:
Zoobeef said:
Yes you should be able to insure it at an agreed price, they'll just inflate the premium to compensate. If most are shut today prob best to wait till monday
So do you reckon it's best to insure normally and just shove a bit to one side in case the worst happened?
You mean insure a modified car but not inform insurers of the modifications?

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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simoid said:
SebastienClement said:
Zoobeef said:
Yes you should be able to insure it at an agreed price, they'll just inflate the premium to compensate. If most are shut today prob best to wait till monday
So do you reckon it's best to insure normally and just shove a bit to one side in case the worst happened?
You mean insure a modified car but not inform insurers of the modifications?
He's said its not modified just has new/refurbished parts

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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OP wrote "Everything has been overhauled and upgrade / replacement pars fitted where necessary"

'Upgraded' as in non-standard equals modified doesn't it?

SebastienClement

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1,952 posts

170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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simoid said:
You mean insure a modified car but not inform insurers of the modifications?
No, I meant normal policy as in. NOT agreed value.

SebastienClement

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170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Riley Blue said:
OP wrote "Everything has been overhauled and upgrade / replacement pars fitted where necessary"

'Upgraded' as in non-standard equals modified doesn't it?
Would something such as an Upgraded head gasket be classed as a modification then? Genuine question smile

littleredrooster

6,397 posts

226 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Unless somebody knows different, you'll need a valuation from an Owner's Club (or similar) to establish the 'value to be agreed'. You can't (AFAIK) just pluck a figure out of the air and insure it for that.

Or at least, that was always the case when I had the classic Lotus, but things may have changed since then...

SebastienClement

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170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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littleredrooster said:
Unless somebody knows different, you'll need a valuation from an Owner's Club (or similar) to establish the 'value to be agreed'. You can't (AFAIK) just pluck a figure out of the air and insure it for that.

Or at least, that was always the case when I had the classic Lotus, but things may have changed since then...
As far as I understand it the insurance company asks for evidence of work, and offers a figure based on that?

I'm well aware I would get an agreed figure of nowhere near the 'value' of the car to me.

hesnotthemessiah

2,121 posts

234 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Give Need2Insure a call. I have an agreed value and classic insurance on mine.

As said above most insurance companies will view 'upgrades' as 'modifications'.

As also said above, you need to get a valuation preferably from the 'owners club' but you can get one from say.....a detailer as well.

P4T

221 posts

173 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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I have an agreed valuation insurance policy with Lancaster on my Defender http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

My defender has little in the way of actual modifications but I provided copies of all my invoices along with photographs of the vehicle and managed to obtain the agreed value I was looking for. Hope that helps

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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SebastienClement said:
Riley Blue said:
OP wrote "Everything has been overhauled and upgrade / replacement pars fitted where necessary"

'Upgraded' as in non-standard equals modified doesn't it?
Would something such as an Upgraded head gasket be classed as a modification then? Genuine question smile
If it's not a factory standard item the answer has to be 'yes'. However I'd be changing insurers if mine loaded my premium for that.

calibrax

4,788 posts

241 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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If you've done suspension/brake work or upgrades, then the insurer will almost certainly want an engineer's report.

SebastienClement

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170 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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calibrax said:
If you've done suspension/brake work or upgrades, then the insurer will almost certainly want an engineer's report.
I think the only difference over standard suspension wise is updated bushes. It has had the whole lot replaced, but to the original specification.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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Riley Blue said:
SebastienClement said:
Riley Blue said:
OP wrote "Everything has been overhauled and upgrade / replacement pars fitted where necessary"

'Upgraded' as in non-standard equals modified doesn't it?
Would something such as an Upgraded head gasket be classed as a modification then? Genuine question smile
If it's not a factory standard item the answer has to be 'yes'. However I'd be changing insurers if mine loaded my premium for that.
Subjective - it could be uprated in terms of durability, but if it's thinner and raises compression ratio, thus increasing torque then they would be justified to increase the premium.

Roo

11,504 posts

237 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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calibrax said:
If you've done suspension/brake work or upgrades, then the insurer will almost certainly want an engineer's report.
I never had to have an engineers report done on my old car.

That had declared mods to brakes, suspension, exhaust and engine.