Heel and Toeing ?
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J4CKO

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46,887 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Have mentioned this before but am trying to regain the skill but is it basially not possible in some cars, was trying in the Galaxy (Yes I know) tonight and there is too much of a gap (in work shoes) to get a convincing blip.

Which cars are good for it and which arent, are there any shoes that help as I used to find it a massive help.

ILoveMondeo

9,617 posts

256 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Shoes with thin soles.

Cars with a decent set of pedal that are reasonably close together. (most "sports" cars)



SebastienClement

1,952 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Big feet help too biggrin

Athlon

5,918 posts

236 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Believe it or not my Mazda 6 is just about perfect!

Contigo

3,139 posts

239 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Heel and Toe in a galaxy as you say! Are you really needing to match the engine revs on a downchange? Cornering at 80?


wackojacko

8,581 posts

220 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Size 10 Converse never fail me in any manual car I've driven. Some take more of a blip than other though but that down to engine characteristics.

If the peddle gaps is to large to start with I brake with the left half of my foot rather than swinging heel accros you can rock your foot to the side to blip. this works alot better in bottom hinged accelerator peddles in BMW's etc.

SmartVenom

462 posts

199 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Really easy in a porsche, the pedals seem perfectly positioned for it regardless of footwear (within reason, obviously I don't wear high heels while driving (honest)). Makes for a lot smoother drive as well.

Gilhooligan

2,221 posts

174 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Won't the Galaxy have a 'elf n safety' pedal box where the brake pedal is way higher than the accelerator?

My mx5 isn't bad for doing it. The brakes aren't stupidly over servo'd which helps too.

Great Pretender

26,140 posts

244 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Contigo said:
Heel and Toe in a galaxy as you say! Are you really needing to match the engine revs on a downchange? Cornering at 80?
Why not? It makes for smooth driving. You don't need to be on a qualifier. I do it all the time without thinking, whether that's a trip to Tesco or a hot lap of the Nordschleife and regardless of car.

Raize

1,476 posts

209 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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SmartVenom said:
Really easy in a porsche, the pedals seem perfectly positioned for it regardless of footwear (within reason, obviously I don't wear high heels while driving (honest)). Makes for a lot smoother drive as well.
Haha, the first time I drove my 924 I kept accidentally revving instead of braking cause the pedals were so closely spaced. Good once you get used to it though.

m444ttb

3,183 posts

259 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Took me a while to re-learn for my old
BMW after years in Peugeots. I could never do it I my wife's 106 GTi afterward! I find my wife's current Focus ST quite difficult the first few times as the brakes are so over assisted. You end up head butting the steering wheel. My Westfield is good for it though!

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,887 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Gilhooligan said:
Won't the Galaxy have a 'elf n safety' pedal box where the brake pedal is way higher than the accelerator?

My mx5 isn't bad for doing it. The brakes aren't stupidly over servo'd which helps too.
No, similar height.

SebastienClement

1,952 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Great Pretender said:
Why not? It makes for smooth driving. You don't need to be on a qualifier. I do it all the time without thinking, whether that's a trip to Tesco or a hot lap of the Nordschleife and regardless of car.
Precisely. The only other option is no BGOL so you can rev match.

It really is vulgar to pull the revs up on the biting point.

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,887 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Raize said:
SmartVenom said:
Really easy in a porsche, the pedals seem perfectly positioned for it regardless of footwear (within reason, obviously I don't wear high heels while driving (honest)). Makes for a lot smoother drive as well.
Haha, the first time I drove my 924 I kept accidentally revving instead of braking cause the pedals were so closely spaced. Good once you get used to it though.
Dont know why but I havent really tried in the 944, perhaps the weekends job.

Dont know why but I seem to be driving the Galaxy quite quickly, I quite like making unlikely cars go quickly, perhaps trying to accelrate the two young Asian guys in the Audi S3 last night was a bit rash but was satisfying seeing it blast past when they realised they were getting dusted by People Carrier.

Wise

165 posts

178 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Not came across a car I cant do it in tongue out

I even do it in mk7 transit, but my size 11 feet might be helping? laugh

TheBurgerKing

181 posts

183 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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I don't think you can get dusted when your not even trying to race. I am glad you find speeding past such car's satisfying, I don't think you hurt their feelings tho they prob just thought you were either in a massive rush or just insecure with something to prove.

kambites

71,545 posts

251 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Wise said:
Not came across a car I cant do it in tongue out
Some cars cut the throttle completely when the brake is depressed; try in one of them. hehe

AMST09

570 posts

210 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Never really understood it or looked into it... whats the point in heel and toe? Anyone got an explanation?
And anywhere to a good guide on how to do it?

g3org3y

22,492 posts

221 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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As above, Converse is imo the best driving show out there. Can be worn on a day to day basis without looking like a try hard tt and perfectly thin/flexible sole for heel and toe.

I've found the Mk1 Ford Ka to be perfect for heel and toe.

Unfortunately, I'm still really struggling with the E36 and its floor mounted accelerator. frown

SebastienClement

1,952 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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AMST09 said:
Never really understood it or looked into it... whats the point in heel and toe? Anyone got an explanation?
And anywhere to a good guide on how to do it?
Smooth downshifts smile