Cyclist knocked off bike by motorist opening door........
Discussion
It was awful to hear of the poor cyclists death recently when he was knocked off his bike by a motorist opening a car door hitting the passing chap knocking him under the wheels off a bus, however, is it not a fact that when passing parked cars one should pass at a distance away from the stationary vehicles with sufficient distance to allow for occupants opening doors? Should the motorist have been subject to the charges that he was?
Comments please.
(PS. Thoughts go out to the deceased family and friends).
Comments please.
(PS. Thoughts go out to the deceased family and friends).
Not always practical when there are parked cars. You would effectively be blocking the road.
Why was the bus driver so close?
Why did Agodogbu (sp) not look in his wing mirror as he should have? What if he opened it into a car, sure he would probably not caused any death but still irresponsible? Any difference? He failed. that's it.
If you dont check over you shoulder and dont see why you should then I suggest you start.
Why was the bus driver so close?
Why did Agodogbu (sp) not look in his wing mirror as he should have? What if he opened it into a car, sure he would probably not caused any death but still irresponsible? Any difference? He failed. that's it.
If you dont check over you shoulder and dont see why you should then I suggest you start.
joema said:
Not always practical when there are parked cars. You would effectively be blocking the road.
Why was the bus driver so close?
Why did Agodogbu (sp) not look in his wing mirror as he should have? What if he opened it into a car, sure he would probably not caused any death but still irresponsible? Any difference? He failed. that's it.
If you dont check over you shoulder and dont see why you should then I suggest you start.
And I suggest that you get off your high horse.....Quote you......If you dont check over you shoulder and dont see why you should then I suggest you start".....I do look over my shoulder and as I'm teaching my daughter to drive also promote this common sense with her too, please don't be one of those people who use this forum to 'have a go' at peoople when you should be using it to promote stimulating conversation and inteligent debate.Why was the bus driver so close?
Why did Agodogbu (sp) not look in his wing mirror as he should have? What if he opened it into a car, sure he would probably not caused any death but still irresponsible? Any difference? He failed. that's it.
If you dont check over you shoulder and dont see why you should then I suggest you start.
Moderator please look in to this before it get's out of hand.
Maybe. It didn't read as if you considered that the driver was at fault...?
Posting something about cycling in GG is always going to get out of hand so i might have jumped the gun a bit as it's usually cyclist bashing nonsense. End of the day car drivers are protected by steel but everyone needs to be accountable for their actions
How lucky was that Gaz? jeez
Posting something about cycling in GG is always going to get out of hand so i might have jumped the gun a bit as it's usually cyclist bashing nonsense. End of the day car drivers are protected by steel but everyone needs to be accountable for their actions
How lucky was that Gaz? jeez
littleredrooster said:
We've done this over on SP&L
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Never mind SP&L it was done here firsthttp://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
joema said:
Maybe. It didn't read as if you considered that the driver was at fault...?
Posting something about cycling in GG is always going to get out of hand so i might have jumped the gun a bit as it's usually cyclist bashing nonsense. End of the day car drivers are protected by steel but everyone needs to be accountable for their actions
How lucky was that Gaz? jeez
Well my goodness, I was expecting you to come back all guns blazing Sir, respect for keeping this on the level. I've been accused of cyclist bashing in the past I'll admit but my original point wasn't cyclist bashing, simply pointing out what I thought to be common sense. The driver was guilty of not looking in his door mirror but the poor guy on the cycle wasn't without blame. Cheers, cjb1Posting something about cycling in GG is always going to get out of hand so i might have jumped the gun a bit as it's usually cyclist bashing nonsense. End of the day car drivers are protected by steel but everyone needs to be accountable for their actions
How lucky was that Gaz? jeez
navier_stokes said:
I think you'll find cyclists get a lot of abuse riding a reasonable distance away from the kerb/parked traffic as it is. If cyclists actually rode a full doors width away from parked cars all the time, they'd be in the middle of the road - not practical.
Maybe not practical but life saving surely?navier_stokes said:
I think you'll find cyclists get a lot of abuse riding a reasonable distance away from the kerb/parked traffic as it is. If cyclists actually rode a full doors width away from parked cars all the time, they'd be in the middle of the road - not practical.
Quite, the comments made by the op prove that he clearly hasnt tried riding a bike in traffic before. You cannot safely ride far enough out into traffic in a busy high street to avoid having a car door opened into you without risking the wrath, or danger from passing traffic on your right.The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
Bezza1969 said:
navier_stokes said:
I think you'll find cyclists get a lot of abuse riding a reasonable distance away from the kerb/parked traffic as it is. If cyclists actually rode a full doors width away from parked cars all the time, they'd be in the middle of the road - not practical.
Quite, the comments made by the op prove that he clearly hasnt tried riding a bike in traffic before. You cannot safely ride far enough out into traffic in a busy high street to avoid having a car door opened into you without risking the wrath, or danger from passing traffic on your right.The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
Bezza1969 said:
Quite, the comments made by the op prove that he clearly hasnt tried riding a bike in traffic before. You cannot safely ride far enough out into traffic in a busy high street to avoid having a car door opened into you without risking the wrath, or danger from passing traffic on your right.
The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
Agree re cycling in traffic. The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
If the chap had opened his car door and another car had hit it, we would automatically be saying that due care wasn't taken when opening the door onto a busy road. Because it involved a cyclist suddenly there is a suggestion that it must've been the cyclist! Rubbish. The cyclist was not at fault here at all. This is no different to a car exiting a side street without warning and hitting you. The person exiting into traffic is at fault for not taking due care and hindering traffic.
Coolbanana said:
Bezza1969 said:
Quite, the comments made by the op prove that he clearly hasnt tried riding a bike in traffic before. You cannot safely ride far enough out into traffic in a busy high street to avoid having a car door opened into you without risking the wrath, or danger from passing traffic on your right.
The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
Agree re cycling in traffic. The poor chap died, so its hardly the time to be debating whether he was partly at fault for some careless numpty who knocked him off!!
If the chap had opened his car door and another car had hit it, we would automatically be saying that due care wasn't taken when opening the door onto a busy road. Because it involved a cyclist suddenly there is a suggestion that it must've been the cyclist! Rubbish. The cyclist was not at fault here at all. This is no different to a car exiting a side street without warning and hitting you. The person exiting into traffic is at fault for not taking due care and hindering traffic.
king cock and then try to stay on the theme of the original thread, that being are we, or are we not, taught to pass parked cars at a safe distance? What I was trying to muster was a thread that generated a dialogue leading to discussion supporting a change in how we are taught to pass.Why oh why does PH's seem to attract people who use even the most emotional of threads to turn it in to a pissing contest.
MODERATOR: PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD IN IN FAVOUR OF THE FEELINGS OF THE DECEASAED FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
Contigo said:
Was discussed on JV the other day and the driver not only opened the door onto him but the force of the door knocked him off the bike and then the bus hit the cyclist. Why would you open the door with such disregard if that is the case?
To be honest its probably more about timing than force. I was knocked off my bike by a chap opening the door of his van. I don't think he opened it hard - I saw it start to open but wasn't able to avoid it at 20km/h. The door edge took a chunk out of my handlebar rubber and nearly took my finger off. I cant really remember the next bit, I think the impact kind of rotated me around the edge of the door, by bike ended up on top of me - I woke up on the tarmac and feel sure that if another vehicle had been there I would have gone underneath it. The driver was panicking slightly when I came to, I think he thought I was dead. I had the presence of mind to ask for his insurance details and staggered off up the road - was only 100 metres from my house. He knocked on my door a few minutes later claiming I had bent his door, but the wife told him to bog off in her best anglo saxon. subsequent to this I always check over my shoulder when getting out of a car on the traffic side, I will admit that I probably didn't always do this before I was knocked off.
Drivers do need to me aware of cyclists in this scenario, as has been said it's not always possible to ride far enough out to be out of range of all doors
The Law is strange sometimes the following happened to me. My rear passenger without my knowledge opened my rear door just a few inches to make sure it was shut while we were approaching a Junction. A guy on a scooter swerved to avoid it & crashed, he did not hit my car. The Police were called & took notes & that i thought was that. Six months later my insurance told me they had received a claim for six months loss of earnings + a hefty compensation claim for a broken neck not obvious at the time. The passenger had been found guilty of negligence, again i was not told but I as the car driver I was held responsible for any claims etc. I had no control over his actions but i lost all my ncb.
cjb1 said:
navier_stokes said:
I think you'll find cyclists get a lot of abuse riding a reasonable distance away from the kerb/parked traffic as it is. If cyclists actually rode a full doors width away from parked cars all the time, they'd be in the middle of the road - not practical.
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