Here's something I didn't expect
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I've been doing a spot of research on my next car. One of the options is a BMW 320i EfficientDynamics.
Despite the name, it's powered by a 1.6 litre turbo four-pot, and it makes 170ps. It's the same basic engine as an R56 MINI.
I've known about this for a few weeks, but the penny dropped for me on something this morning.
What it means is that all these cars share an engine:
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Despite the name, it's powered by a 1.6 litre turbo four-pot, and it makes 170ps. It's the same basic engine as an R56 MINI.
I've known about this for a few weeks, but the penny dropped for me on something this morning.
What it means is that all these cars share an engine:
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The Spruce goose said:
and the point being?
the engine is just a form of power delivery,and as you are looking at the lower end, it isn't going to be bespoke.
the 2.7 v6 diesel was in jaguar and PSA cars.
I understand this of course - but of all the manufacturers, BMW is one of the last I'd expect to do this sort of thing (along with Honda and Ferrari).the engine is just a form of power delivery,and as you are looking at the lower end, it isn't going to be bespoke.
the 2.7 v6 diesel was in jaguar and PSA cars.
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GroundEffect said:
Remember whilst they may have the same base engine, all the installation and transmission stuff will be unique. That includes Air Induction, Exhaust, Cooling, Fuel, Electrical, Mounts and HVAC.
That's something I noted on realoem.com while I was looking at something else. Arguably the biggest change to make the engine north-south for the 3er instead of the transverse installation it has in everything else is the placement of the oil filter. Other than that the base engine is, as far as I can tell, identical.Obviously the rads and so on are different, to fit different shapes of car nose.
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GroundEffect said:
Remember whilst they may have the same base engine, all the installation and transmission stuff will be unique. That includes Air Induction, Exhaust, Cooling, Fuel, Electrical, Mounts and HVAC.
Which is one-upmanship speak for saying the BMW version will be better as a result. This sort of cheese-paring garbage is exactly what brand-conscious idiots cling to.r11co said:
GroundEffect said:
Remember whilst they may have the same base engine, all the installation and transmission stuff will be unique. That includes Air Induction, Exhaust, Cooling, Fuel, Electrical, Mounts and HVAC.
Which is one-upmanship speak for saying the BMW version will be better as a result. This sort of cheese-paring garbage is exactly what brand-conscious idiots cling to.C
CraigyMc said:
I understand this of course - but of all the manufacturers, BMW is one of the last I'd expect to do this sort of thing (along with Honda and Ferrari).
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Why Honda? They used to share almost everything with Rover & (certainly according to Wikipedia), some of the cars were even built at Longbridge.C
r11co said:
CraigyMc said:
I've done work for both BMW and PSA, and I know which I'd prefer to be engineering my car.
If you've done work for both then by definition they should be the same, n'est-ce pas?Or are you suggesting you were deliberately sloppy for one of them...?
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alangla said:
CraigyMc said:
I understand this of course - but of all the manufacturers, BMW is one of the last I'd expect to do this sort of thing (along with Honda and Ferrari).
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Why Honda? They used to share almost everything with Rover & (certainly according to Wikipedia), some of the cars were even built at Longbridge.C
The important bit is the engineering nous, for me. I couldn't give a damn if my 3er is built by BMW in Regensberg or Rosslyn, Magna Steyr in Austria or Valmet in Finland, because by the time you get to screwing the thing together you've already done the important bit of the engineering.
Likewise, I don't mind honda developing stuff other people screw together. If Honda started buying mainstream engines in from a 3rd party (I dunno, say from Toyota or GM), I'd be shocked. If the reverse were true I'd not be shocked at all.
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I think the old PSA TU engine (that the prince engine is based on) seem's to be a more reliable engine.
It's also kind of weird to think if you look back in time, it all goes back to the 104
The prince was based on the TU which came out in 1986 in the AX, (powering the AX, Saxo, C2, C3, BX, ZX, Xsara, C15, Nemo, Berlingo, 106, 205, 206, 207, 309, 306, 307, 405, Bipper and Partner).
But the TU was based on the X engine (Douvrin) that came out in 72 in the 104 (powering the Citroën LN, Citroën Visa, Citroën BX, Peugeot 104, Peugeot 205, Talbot Samba and Renault 14.
So your new fancy bmw, mini, peugeot or citroen could be powered by something that owes its roots to this.
It's also kind of weird to think if you look back in time, it all goes back to the 104
The prince was based on the TU which came out in 1986 in the AX, (powering the AX, Saxo, C2, C3, BX, ZX, Xsara, C15, Nemo, Berlingo, 106, 205, 206, 207, 309, 306, 307, 405, Bipper and Partner).
But the TU was based on the X engine (Douvrin) that came out in 72 in the 104 (powering the Citroën LN, Citroën Visa, Citroën BX, Peugeot 104, Peugeot 205, Talbot Samba and Renault 14.
So your new fancy bmw, mini, peugeot or citroen could be powered by something that owes its roots to this.
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