Reinforced vs. non-reinforced sidewalls
Reinforced vs. non-reinforced sidewalls
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Prof Prolapse

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Alright chaps...

I'm looking at changing the tyres for the Z4 and probably doing all at once and moving away from the runflats.

Goodyear A1 Assymetric 2s (and some others) appear to come in two flavours. Reinforced sidewalls and non-refinforced which are more considerably more expensive.

Now overly rigid sidewalls have led to some traits I'm not really happy with the runflats. Are these "reinforced" ones as bad?

Anybody have any experience?




Monty Python

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227 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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AFAIK the reinforcement isn't arranged in the same way as a RFT (so it won't affect the ride) - it's there to keep the shoulder of the tyre on the road during cornering. It's made from carbon fibre (hence the cost).

LongLiveTazio

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Is it not linked to the load index or whatever it's called, sometimes marked as XL?

Monty Python

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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LongLiveTazio said:
Is it not linked to the load index or whatever it's called, sometimes marked as XL?
No - it's separate from the load index

LongLiveTazio

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Monty Python said:
No - it's separate from the load index
I thought that if it's a 'normal' tyre you usually find that the XL marked tyre has a reinforced sidewall? Is this not the case then?

Prof Prolapse

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Monty Python said:
AFAIK the reinforcement isn't arranged in the same way as a RFT (so it won't affect the ride) - it's there to keep the shoulder of the tyre on the road during cornering. It's made from carbon fibre (hence the cost).
Its more expensive for my size tyres!

Prof Prolapse

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Monty Python said:
LongLiveTazio said:
Is it not linked to the load index or whatever it's called, sometimes marked as XL?
No - it's separate from the load index
Seems to state "for increased loads" on the blackcircles website?

Monty Python

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Prof Prolapse said:
Seems to state "for increased loads" on the blackcircles website?
In the specific case of the Eagle Assymetric, this is what Goodyear say:

"•Carbon fiber reinforced sidewalls help keep the shoulders on the road for enhanced maneuverability"

It may be different for other manufacturers...who knows...

Frances The Mute

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Sunday 6th January 2013
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Monty Python said:
LongLiveTazio said:
Is it not linked to the load index or whatever it's called, sometimes marked as XL?
No - it's separate from the load index
XL or reinforced tyres are linked to the load index by definition. They have a higher load rating due to increased material (typically polyester and/or rayon) in the sidewall structure.

Noticing the difference between the two will be something that professional testers will find very difficult to do an are incomparable with run flat tyres in terms of feel and feedback.

jon-

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246 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Frances The Mute said:
Noticing the difference between the two will be something that professional testers will find very difficult to do
Untrue.

Frances The Mute said:
they are incomparable with run flat tyres in terms of feel and feedback.
Very true.

Frances The Mute

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Monday 7th January 2013
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jon- said:
Frances The Mute said:
Noticing the difference between the two will be something that professional testers will find very difficult to do
Untrue.
I'm talking between XL and standard load tyres, not pneumatic vs run flats.

jon-

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Monday 7th January 2013
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Frances The Mute said:
jon- said:
Frances The Mute said:
Noticing the difference between the two will be something that professional testers will find very difficult to do
Untrue.
I'm talking between XL and standard load tyres, not pneumatic vs run flats.
I understood that smile

If a pro tyre tester couldn't tell the difference between a 91 and 94XL version of the same tyre they wouldn't stay employed for very long!

Frances The Mute

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Monday 7th January 2013
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I did say they'd find it difficult as opposed to not being able to.

As I work with quite a few of them, it tends to be discussed from time to time.

cuprabob

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Monday 7th January 2013
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In my experience the XL tyre is not really that much more expensive.

crosseyedlion

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228 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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cuprabob said:
In my experience the XL tyre is not really that much more expensive.
But is it better? thats the question. I like the suppleness of non-xl tyres, but am unfortunately tied to XL ones due to 2.1 tons.

cuprabob

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Monday 7th January 2013
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Better is down to subjecture.


Prof Prolapse

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Monday 7th January 2013
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So general concensus, save £100 and buy XL tyres as they're not going to be as bad as runflats?


Monty Python

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Monday 7th January 2013
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Prof Prolapse said:
So general concensus, save £100 and buy XL tyres as they're not going to be as bad as runflats?
Correct :-)

Prof Prolapse

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Monday 7th January 2013
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Cheers mate!