R32 Group A homologation
Discussion
I've recently been looking on various Nissan and Datsun websites/forums for educational purposes on older datsun 240z when I stumbled across a thread in relation to a recently imported R32 group A homologation. Up until today I thought that the only official variants of the R32 was the V-Spec and the 'vanilla' GT-R.
Of course they raced these in group A but I wasn't aware they made another 'special' version. Does anyone know in detail what the main differences were? From the forum it seems it was breathed on by NISMO but does anyone know what the significant difference was between the V-Spec the base GT-R and this? Would love to know more about it but every time I search group A r32 it goes straight to the race prepared car. Perhaps someone owns one but then again I'm not sure if they officially imported them here.
Does look rather good
Of course they raced these in group A but I wasn't aware they made another 'special' version. Does anyone know in detail what the main differences were? From the forum it seems it was breathed on by NISMO but does anyone know what the significant difference was between the V-Spec the base GT-R and this? Would love to know more about it but every time I search group A r32 it goes straight to the race prepared car. Perhaps someone owns one but then again I'm not sure if they officially imported them here.
Does look rather good
It's also known as the Skyline GT-R Nismo edition, they were required to sell a batch of 5000 cars (another 560 later to homologate some aero changes) for homologation purposes, they've got no ABS, no rear wiper, loads of Nismo exterior bits, no Air Con and Nismo Turbines. They're a bit like the N1 before the N1 was around...
ETA: The R32 GT-R Models that were available were; The Vanilla GT-R, The 'Nismo' or Group A Homologation, The Group A Evo, The N1, The V-Spec and The V-Spec II. The only difference between the standard V-Spec and the V-Spec II was wider tires.
ETA: The R32 GT-R Models that were available were; The Vanilla GT-R, The 'Nismo' or Group A Homologation, The Group A Evo, The N1, The V-Spec and The V-Spec II. The only difference between the standard V-Spec and the V-Spec II was wider tires.
Edited by Loplop on Tuesday 8th January 09:09
Loplop said:
It's also known as the Skyline GT-R Nismo edition, they were required to sell a batch of 5000 cars (another 560 later to homologate some aero changes) for homologation purposes, they've got no ABS, no rear wiper, loads of Nismo exterior bits, no Air Con and Nismo Turbines. They're a bit like the N1 before the N1 was around...
ETA: The R32 GT-R Models that were available were; The Vanilla GT-R, The 'Nismo' or Group A Homologation, The Group A Evo, The N1, The V-Spec and The V-Spec II. The only difference between the standard V-Spec and the V-Spec II was wider tires.
Do you know what the difference was between the Group A and the Group A Evo? From what I've found the Group A came in gun metal grey, maybe the group A Evo is the one with the aero changes? Anyway thanks for clearing up the general differences. ETA: The R32 GT-R Models that were available were; The Vanilla GT-R, The 'Nismo' or Group A Homologation, The Group A Evo, The N1, The V-Spec and The V-Spec II. The only difference between the standard V-Spec and the V-Spec II was wider tires.
Edited by Loplop on Tuesday 8th January 09:09
Edited by rb26 on Tuesday 8th January 10:39
rb26 said:
As has been mentioned, Nissan needed to build and sell 5000 BNR32 Skyline GT-Rs in order to homologate the model for use in the FIA's Group A race category. Those 5000 BNR32s were the standard road cars. However, the Group A rules allowed manufacturers to homologate some extra parts that would be useful for race use if they made a minimum of 500 'Evolution' models ( extra to the 5000 'standard' cars ) with those parts fitted to them, and sold them to the general public. These were the 500 ( actually around 560 ) 'NISMO' R32 GT-Rs, and they had some extra aero devices ( extra 'flipper' strips on the bootlid and bonnet, sideskirts and extended wheelarch corners, and a pair of intercooler ducts in the front bumper ), the air conditioning system was deleted as was the ABS system and the rear wiper. The cars also had improved NISMO turbines.
So, the road-going 'NISMO' evolution models are not to be confused with the red off-the-shelf race car in the above ad.
PZR said:
The red car in the above NISMO ad was a genuine NISMO-built 'off the shelf' Group A race car, available to privateer race teams in period. It wasn't a road-going production car, and wasn't legal for road use in Japan. It cost a LOT of money.
As has been mentioned, Nissan needed to build and sell 5000 BNR32 Skyline GT-Rs in order to homologate the model for use in the FIA's Group A race category. Those 5000 BNR32s were the standard road cars. However, the Group A rules allowed manufacturers to homologate some extra parts that would be useful for race use if they made a minimum of 500 'Evolution' models ( extra to the 5000 'standard' cars ) with those parts fitted to them, and sold them to the general public. These were the 500 ( actually around 560 ) 'NISMO' R32 GT-Rs, and they had some extra aero devices ( extra 'flipper' strips on the bootlid and bonnet, sideskirts and extended wheelarch corners, and a pair of intercooler ducts in the front bumper ), the air conditioning system was deleted as was the ABS system and the rear wiper. The cars also had improved NISMO turbines.
So, the road-going 'NISMO' evolution models are not to be confused with the red off-the-shelf race car in the above ad.
Ahh, thank you very much for clearing that up, great info! As has been mentioned, Nissan needed to build and sell 5000 BNR32 Skyline GT-Rs in order to homologate the model for use in the FIA's Group A race category. Those 5000 BNR32s were the standard road cars. However, the Group A rules allowed manufacturers to homologate some extra parts that would be useful for race use if they made a minimum of 500 'Evolution' models ( extra to the 5000 'standard' cars ) with those parts fitted to them, and sold them to the general public. These were the 500 ( actually around 560 ) 'NISMO' R32 GT-Rs, and they had some extra aero devices ( extra 'flipper' strips on the bootlid and bonnet, sideskirts and extended wheelarch corners, and a pair of intercooler ducts in the front bumper ), the air conditioning system was deleted as was the ABS system and the rear wiper. The cars also had improved NISMO turbines.
So, the road-going 'NISMO' evolution models are not to be confused with the red off-the-shelf race car in the above ad.
Apparently 60 of those '560' cars were only sold to race teams and not the general public?
Loplop said:
Apparently 60 of those '560' cars were only sold to race teams and not the general public?
Yes. Most of those 60-ish cars would have been prepped as Group N domestic race cars by the privateer teams in Japan. There were loads of Group N cars, and not that many Group A cars. Group N in Japan was a lot more accessible ( cheaper! ). PZR said:
The red car in the above NISMO ad was a genuine NISMO-built 'off the shelf' Group A race car, available to privateer race teams in period. It wasn't a road-going production car, and wasn't legal for road use in Japan. It cost a LOT of money.
As has been mentioned, Nissan needed to build and sell 5000 BNR32 Skyline GT-Rs in order to homologate the model for use in the FIA's Group A race category. Those 5000 BNR32s were the standard road cars. However, the Group A rules allowed manufacturers to homologate some extra parts that would be useful for race use if they made a minimum of 500 'Evolution' models ( extra to the 5000 'standard' cars ) with those parts fitted to them, and sold them to the general public. These were the 500 ( actually around 560 ) 'NISMO' R32 GT-Rs, and they had some extra aero devices ( extra 'flipper' strips on the bootlid and bonnet, sideskirts and extended wheelarch corners, and a pair of intercooler ducts in the front bumper ), the air conditioning system was deleted as was the ABS system and the rear wiper. The cars also had improved NISMO turbines.
So, the road-going 'NISMO' evolution models are not to be confused with the red off-the-shelf race car in the above ad.
Thanks PZR, so as said before they came in one colour, grey? Very interesting thank you. Do you know of any good books in relation to the history of the GTR? As has been mentioned, Nissan needed to build and sell 5000 BNR32 Skyline GT-Rs in order to homologate the model for use in the FIA's Group A race category. Those 5000 BNR32s were the standard road cars. However, the Group A rules allowed manufacturers to homologate some extra parts that would be useful for race use if they made a minimum of 500 'Evolution' models ( extra to the 5000 'standard' cars ) with those parts fitted to them, and sold them to the general public. These were the 500 ( actually around 560 ) 'NISMO' R32 GT-Rs, and they had some extra aero devices ( extra 'flipper' strips on the bootlid and bonnet, sideskirts and extended wheelarch corners, and a pair of intercooler ducts in the front bumper ), the air conditioning system was deleted as was the ABS system and the rear wiper. The cars also had improved NISMO turbines.
So, the road-going 'NISMO' evolution models are not to be confused with the red off-the-shelf race car in the above ad.
PZR said:
All the books that I use for reference on these cars ( including the first generation PGC10, KPGC10, KPGC110 and the works race cars ) are all in the Japanese language, I'm afraid.
Oh, but do you have any recommendations in regards to English versions that you are aware of? My interest in skylines and their history is growing and I want to develop it further. However learning Japanese, whilst also attempting to learn Mandarin (with limited success may I add 
) at the same time would be incredibly difficult for me. The reason I ask you is I know you know your stuff in relation to Nissan in regards to the racing and road cars and I'd rather get recommendations from someone such as yourself than someone who doesn't.
P.S How's the Datsun 432R project going?
rb26 said:
Oh, but do you have any recommendations in regards to English versions that you are aware of?
Not really. The Alex Gorodji / Paul Creed 'Nissan GT-R' published by Motorbooks ( ISBN 978-0-7603-3036-4 ) is worth having, but pretty much everything else worth buying is Japanese. Not that the language problem should put you off; There's still plenty of data to glean and interest to be had from the Japanese books and mags. There are hundreds of them. I'm a bit of a completist, so I tend to buy 'em all...!rb26 said:
P.S How's the Datsun 432R project going?
Slowly. I must pull my finger out. Might be running before the summer though.It'll get angry if you call it a 'Datsun' though. It's proudly a Nissan ( project is based on a 1970 production Nissan Fairlady Z-L ) and becoming a replica of a Nissan Fairlady Z432-R. No mention of the 'D' word anywhere on it.....
PZR said:
Slowly. I must pull my finger out. Might be running before the summer though.
It'll get angry if you call it a 'Datsun' though. It's proudly a Nissan ( project is based on a 1970 production Nissan Fairlady Z-L ) and becoming a replica of a Nissan Fairlady Z432-R. No mention of the 'D' word anywhere on it.....
Thanks will look into the book and other the Japanese books It'll get angry if you call it a 'Datsun' though. It's proudly a Nissan ( project is based on a 1970 production Nissan Fairlady Z-L ) and becoming a replica of a Nissan Fairlady Z432-R. No mention of the 'D' word anywhere on it.....
Forgive my blissful ignorance on the NISSAN 432r. I'm a child of the early 90's so still sometimes fail to make the distinction between Datsun and Nissan during that era. Personally I would love to see the project on a updated bases. That S20 straight 6 is heaven.
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