Anyone had a frozen cooling system?
Anyone had a frozen cooling system?
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motorbreath

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613 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Hello all, as the title reads...

I purchased a new car last week, its been sat on the drive since I then undergoing some TLC. I popped the bonnet today to find the hoses rock hard full of ice. I'm assuming the prior owner had a fundamental breakdown understanding the meaning of anti freeze.

Anyhow I've removed the ice from the pipes radiator and thermostat but have a horrible feeling that the water in the block is in a similar state.

Tomorrow I'll trying to thaw the engine out, I've filled it up as much as possible with neat antifreeze which will hopefully work its magic over night but I'm a bit stumped as to what methods I should pursue to defrost the engine.

Initial thoughts... bear with me... a disposable bbq (once flames have died down) under sump but far enough away so it wont melt any thing.

Any one else have any thoughts?? Many thanks smile

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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How is the water pump driven?

If its driven by the cambelt your stuffed

If its driven by the fan belt (yes i know they don't drive the fan anymore) then i'd be half tempted to give it a quick run

Or shove a fan heater pointing at the block, or an electric blanket over the engine

rallycross

13,757 posts

267 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Leave it alone until it thaws out and see what, if anything, popped.

In the old days of iron blocks and basic engineering the core plug would pop out before anything got damaged.

eltax91

10,769 posts

236 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Is it needed asap? I'd be tempted to wait until its above freezing for a day or two. That way you know its thawed

steveo3002

11,216 posts

204 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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small fan heater near it would be my choice

sgtbash

766 posts

166 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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motorbreath said:
Hello all, as the title reads...

I purchased a new car last week, its been sat on the drive since I then undergoing some TLC. I popped the bonnet today to find the hoses rock hard full of ice. I'm assuming the prior owner had a fundamental breakdown understanding the meaning of anti freeze.

Anyhow I've removed the ice from the pipes radiator and thermostat but have a horrible feeling that the water in the block is in a similar state.

Tomorrow I'll trying to thaw the engine out, I've filled it up as much as possible with neat antifreeze which will hopefully work its magic over night but I'm a bit stumped as to what methods I should pursue to defrost the engine.

Initial thoughts... bear with me... a disposable bbq (once flames have died down) under sump but far enough away so it wont melt any thing.

Any one else have any thoughts?? Many thanks smile
I personally would leave it to thaw out naturally, no point rushing things and break it. But I have never had that problem myself.

Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Do NOT use the bbq.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Drain cooling system then refill with warm (not hot - danger of cracking things otherwise) coolant to melt the rest of the ice. Fingers crossed the block and head are still intact. In fact just running a hose through the system for a while should do the trick - the only snag being the large pool of water on the ground that you'll break you leg on when it turns into a sheet of ice.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Monday 21st January 20:22

Jakg

4,050 posts

198 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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thinfourth2 said:
Or shove a fan heater pointing at the block, or an electric blanket over the engine
Had exactly the same happen to a friend...



Their solution?



Apparently worked tho

redtwin

7,518 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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First thought would be a fan heater, but the disposable BBQ idea sounds a good one. Could also try filling the hoses/radiator with boiling water,repeating when water cools. Of course you would drain the water if leaving overnight.

redstu

2,287 posts

269 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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steveo3002 said:
small fan heater near it would be my choice
I'd go with this. It might actually be ok currently, but if the weather stays cold or gets worse then it may crack.
It's possible that the radiator has already been split as that is the weakest point.
Nasty job to.be done in this weather. Hope it works out cheaply.

williredale

2,866 posts

182 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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redtwin said:
First thought would be a fan heater, but the disposable BBQ idea sounds a good one. Could also try filling the hoses/radiator with boiling water,repeating when water cools. Of course you would drain the water if leaving overnight.
Don't do this! If the previous owner has neglected the anti-freeze who knows what else has been missed. Fire is not the way to find this out!

Fan heater would be my answer if it can't be left to thaw of its own accord.

Puntosteve

282 posts

165 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Could even try a hair dryer to get up closer to the ice?

motorbreath

Original Poster:

613 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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thinfourth2 said:
How is the water pump driven?

If its driven by the cambelt your stuffed

If its driven by the fan belt (yes i know they don't drive the fan anymore) then i'd be half tempted to give it a quick run

Or shove a fan heater pointing at the block, or an electric blanket over the engine
The water pump is cambelt unfortunately. Didn't turn the engine over due to this so hoping a good thaw will do the job.

I did think electric blankets but didn't think the heat would penetrate into the block. Worth a shot though! smile

motorbreath

Original Poster:

613 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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rallycross said:
Leave it alone until it thaws out and see what, if anything, popped.

In the old days of iron blocks and basic engineering the core plug would pop out before anything got damaged.
Yeah good point, I checked the core plugs and they are still in place. I've got an MOT on Thursday, its looking thin on the ground that it'll happen as we are still under snow here frown

motorbreath

Original Poster:

613 posts

212 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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Jakg said:
Had exactly the same happen to a friend...



Their solution?



Apparently worked tho
That's the one! I'm starting to come around to the fan heater idea maybe one on top and one under the sump. In fact it'll probably be wise to run warm antifreeze through at the same time.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

234 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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motorbreath said:
I did think electric blankets but didn't think the heat would penetrate into the block. Worth a shot though! smile
Ah thats where your wrong

When we moved into this house the house waterpump (for drinking water) for thoughtfully mounted on a lump of plywood under a wooden box at the side of the drive. not being the most ideal solution for northern scotland you won't be surprised this froze up during our first winter here.

I bought a nice electric blanket from Asda and wrapped it around the water pump which is a similar size to a motorbike engine and made from cast orn and it thawed out and stayed above freezing until i could build a proper water pump shed

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

178 months

Monday 21st January 2013
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If the block has frozen the core plugs may pop out if frozen hard enough.

I'd go with the fan heater, idealy in a garage if you can as a first to look for leaks as it thaws. As previously said, if its not a cam belt water pump fire it up and watch closely. If It's all good dump the coolant, drain and re fill.

motorbreath

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613 posts

212 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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Just to let you all know I went with the bbq idea on the basis that my electric heater was way too big to fit under the car and I liked the idea of saving the electricity bill spin

Here's how things went...

Unfortunately the bbq also wouldn't fit under the car due to some stupid back and sides being too high so I 'borrowed' the other halfs deep roasting tin, accessorised it smash by adding some breather holes in the bottom using a nail and hammer, filled it up with charcoal, attacked it with a blow torch furious and hey presto after 45 minutes whistle it was ready to go smile









The heat wasn't too intense so I shoved it under the sump which I was hoping would warm the oil which would retain its warmth for a little longer. Luckily the heat went up the back, in between the radiator and front of the block after an hour the engine was nice and warm.

So an hour later and after adding some more anti freeze I decided to fire it up... Weyhey!! sprung straight into life biggrinwoohoo

Edited by motorbreath on Tuesday 22 January 18:06

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

178 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2013
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No burgers or hot dogs?


Let down.