Poll: R vs 86
Total Members Polled: 48
Discussion
Think of the worst and/or most inexperienced driver you know and imagine them behind the wheel of a Nissan GTR. If they were given a couple of hours to get used to the car and then asked to set a laptime at Donington, do you think you would be able to beat that laptime in a GT86 assuming you were given the same couple of hours for familiarisation?
Assume standard specifications for both cars on OEM tyres and warm, sunny, windless conditions, etc etc.
We're having a bit of a difference of opinion in the office this morning.
Assume standard specifications for both cars on OEM tyres and warm, sunny, windless conditions, etc etc.
We're having a bit of a difference of opinion in the office this morning.
Worst driver is probably going to mean those that are terrified of driving, fully expect to die at every roundabout, and would be terrified to even sit in the GTR with nothing but the lure of a Nissan badge to make them feel at home.
In that case, you could probably beat them on a bicycle.
But someone who likes cars / driving, but is simply utterly inept? The 86 would be miles behind, as this is the whole point of the R. Go very, very fast, regardless of the ham fisted, big hoofed sack of intestines at the wheel. Assuming they possess the basic motor skills to aim the pointy end towards the finish line whilst keeping their right hoof in the carpet, the R wins.
In that case, you could probably beat them on a bicycle.
But someone who likes cars / driving, but is simply utterly inept? The 86 would be miles behind, as this is the whole point of the R. Go very, very fast, regardless of the ham fisted, big hoofed sack of intestines at the wheel. Assuming they possess the basic motor skills to aim the pointy end towards the finish line whilst keeping their right hoof in the carpet, the R wins.
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Captain Muppet said:
I know someone who did a track experience in an Elise and did the entire track in third gear so they wouldn't have to "think about changing gear or go too fast".
I'm pretty sure I could beat their GTR track time in a 1.6 Vectra.
probably, but didn't dodge viper gt racers use just 4th gear on track? i'm sure i read somewhere they did a comparison and with all the torque available only found it to be a couple of seconds a lap slower compared to using all the gears, but far more reliable. I'm pretty sure I could beat their GTR track time in a 1.6 Vectra.
shirt said:
Captain Muppet said:
I know someone who did a track experience in an Elise and did the entire track in third gear so they wouldn't have to "think about changing gear or go too fast".
I'm pretty sure I could beat their GTR track time in a 1.6 Vectra.
probably, but didn't dodge viper gt racers use just 4th gear on track? i'm sure i read somewhere they did a comparison and with all the torque available only found it to be a couple of seconds a lap slower compared to using all the gears, but far more reliable. I'm pretty sure I could beat their GTR track time in a 1.6 Vectra.
Easily!
I was having this discussion the other day about the James Bond scene in Goldeneye, the one with the 355 and the db5. Everyone said it was too far fetched, but it depends who was driving the 355.
Its surprising the amount of modern cars get in the way when I'm driving my old cars. 80% of people have no flow in cars, they just point and squirt.
I was having this discussion the other day about the James Bond scene in Goldeneye, the one with the 355 and the db5. Everyone said it was too far fetched, but it depends who was driving the 355.
Its surprising the amount of modern cars get in the way when I'm driving my old cars. 80% of people have no flow in cars, they just point and squirt.
Against the most inept driver I know? Forget two hours' installation, I would only need one outlap to beat them, and I could probably do it one-handed. Obvious answer is obvious 
Against an average driver who is "interested" in cars? I mean the sort of person with no track experience or detailed knowledge but who still notices quick cars and wants one. This is a lot more interesting, but even so, they aren't going to come close. Most drivers who don't have track experience simply have no idea how fast it's possible to drive, how much grip something like a GT-R has or even how hard you can use the brakes. Drivers failing their test because they don't even brake properly in an "emergency stop" - and it's quite a few - is evidence enough, that's when they know they have to slam the anchors on, imagine any of those using all the brakes' potentional at the end of a straight in a GT-R..
The whole way round, they're going to be slower. If you have the GT86 on comparable tyres, it's going to corner close-on as quickly as a well-driven GT-R, and because I will know how to get a good exit, how late I can brake, and the correct entry speeds, I probably won't even lose much (if any) time on the straights either. No good having all that power if they're using half-throttle, short-shifting, or backing off 200m earlier than they need to.
No contest!
Anyone saying the GT-R will stand a chance either has no experience themselves (not a criticism, just my thinking
) because thinking the car can make any driver fast is so deeply flawed.
Or they've never seen what unskilled drivers do on Ferrari experience days and the like!
Against an average driver who is "interested" in cars? I mean the sort of person with no track experience or detailed knowledge but who still notices quick cars and wants one. This is a lot more interesting, but even so, they aren't going to come close. Most drivers who don't have track experience simply have no idea how fast it's possible to drive, how much grip something like a GT-R has or even how hard you can use the brakes. Drivers failing their test because they don't even brake properly in an "emergency stop" - and it's quite a few - is evidence enough, that's when they know they have to slam the anchors on, imagine any of those using all the brakes' potentional at the end of a straight in a GT-R..
The whole way round, they're going to be slower. If you have the GT86 on comparable tyres, it's going to corner close-on as quickly as a well-driven GT-R, and because I will know how to get a good exit, how late I can brake, and the correct entry speeds, I probably won't even lose much (if any) time on the straights either. No good having all that power if they're using half-throttle, short-shifting, or backing off 200m earlier than they need to.
No contest!
Anyone saying the GT-R will stand a chance either has no experience themselves (not a criticism, just my thinking
) because thinking the car can make any driver fast is so deeply flawed. Or they've never seen what unskilled drivers do on Ferrari experience days and the like!
Edited by McSam on Wednesday 23 January 11:34
kambites said:
The absolute worst driver, I'd slaughter because they'd be terrified of ever using more than about a quarter throttle in the GTR.
Bang on the money, most people who drive anything generic and diesel would pap themselves at the prospect of having so much power at their disposal. They don't know the apex or how to drive and even an hour on the track would probably wear them down. I'd take the challenge with most of the general public and enjoy the 86 and trying to match the GT-R times.Edited by Contigo on Wednesday 23 January 11:34
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