2013 Vehicle Reliability Stats
Discussion
StottyZr said:
I'm surprised that Dodge scored so badly and Porsche so well.
Notice RAM trucks are way up the list, yet the Dodge brand is way down.Basically Chrysler know how to build a pick-up truck, but not a car.
I suspect that most Porsches do not see high miles, so less likely to develop faults.
Richard-G said:
BMW, Audi and VW way down, again.
....but well keep on drinking that ol German engineering kool aid....
Totally agree.....but well keep on drinking that ol German engineering kool aid....
VAG image of quality and precision is complete cobblers. A triumph of marketing and soft touch surfaces over actual, deep down, engineering integrity.
If VAG spent more money on engineering integrity and manufacturing quality and less money on nice shiny surfaces, soft touch plastics and nice clicking buttons, their cars would perform better in these surveys.
But they would probably sell less. People only believe in the quality they can see and touch and don't care about the oily bits. And road testers and the media never have cars long enough to make the right judgements.
Japanese manufacturers tend to be the opposite. Honda, for example, have wonderfully engineered and designed oily bits but care little about the surfaces and materials that people actually touch. The Honda CRV we use for general duties is a ugly, scratchy thing with horrible plastics. But it is superbly designed and engineered underneath and as a result it appears to be totally indestructible !
GTIR said:
Not really relevant to the UK as I'd imagine 95% of those cars are petrol and sit on freeways all day.
Also, it'd be 2012 models not 2013.
Ah, had a look on the website, your right. Didn't see any mention of it so took a guess.Also, it'd be 2012 models not 2013.
I'm surprised Subaru and Mitsubishi did so poorly.
Fair play to Mercedes though, not so long ago they wouldn't have had a hope of being were they are in that table.
I guess we just don't have much of an affinity with quality here in the UK, both in the products we buy (VAG) and the products we build (Land Rover)
The Nissan Qashqai outsells the Honda CRV in the UK by a margin of something like 4-1 despite the Honda being a far superior vehicle and both being built here
The Nissan Qashqai outsells the Honda CRV in the UK by a margin of something like 4-1 despite the Honda being a far superior vehicle and both being built here
Benbay001 said:
Its disappointing that there have been this many comments yet no one has pointed out that Lexus have done so well!
Many many times better than Land Rover who offer similar levels of kit and technology.
No wonder Lexus sell so little in this country.
It's because we know Lexus have top build quality and reliability( as impressive as it is). It's not surprising they're top. There just seems to be a mentality that the German's are best.Many many times better than Land Rover who offer similar levels of kit and technology.
No wonder Lexus sell so little in this country.
GroundEffect said:
NAS said:
VW's sold in the US are usually made in Mexico, not Germany.
Doesn't make a big difference. We find that plants all around the world can achieve virtually identical quality. PSST: VW isn't as good as they claim to be
Used to work for an OEM. Quality differed massively per plant world-wide I have to say. Doesn't have to be the case for every manufacturer, but I suspect differences sometimes may exist....
skyrover said:
In the case of a global company like VW, I would be very surprised if they applied different quality standards to their manufacturing plants worldwide.
Especially since US customers are incredibly picky when it comes to reliability.
Yet the American and South American built VWs are the worst. The Westmoreland plant was a bit of a disaster when it came to quality control, but that was 20 years ago!Especially since US customers are incredibly picky when it comes to reliability.
I also wonder if those statistics take into account the volume of sales, saying 10 failures per 100 is great but not if you only make 1000 cars.....
toppstuff said:
VAG image of quality and precision is complete cobblers. A triumph of marketing and soft touch surfaces over actual, deep down, engineering integrity.
If VAG spent more money on engineering integrity and manufacturing quality and less money on nice shiny surfaces, soft touch plastics and nice clicking buttons, their cars would perform better in these surveys.
But they would probably sell less. People only believe in the quality they can see and touch and don't care about the oily bits. And road testers and the media never have cars long enough to make the right judgements.
Japanese manufacturers tend to be the opposite. Honda, for example, have wonderfully engineered and designed oily bits but care little about the surfaces and materials that people actually touch. The Honda CRV we use for general duties is a ugly, scratchy thing with horrible plastics. But it is superbly designed and engineered underneath and as a result it appears to be totally indestructible !
Excellent post, which exactly matches my experience of VAG and now Honda.If VAG spent more money on engineering integrity and manufacturing quality and less money on nice shiny surfaces, soft touch plastics and nice clicking buttons, their cars would perform better in these surveys.
But they would probably sell less. People only believe in the quality they can see and touch and don't care about the oily bits. And road testers and the media never have cars long enough to make the right judgements.
Japanese manufacturers tend to be the opposite. Honda, for example, have wonderfully engineered and designed oily bits but care little about the surfaces and materials that people actually touch. The Honda CRV we use for general duties is a ugly, scratchy thing with horrible plastics. But it is superbly designed and engineered underneath and as a result it appears to be totally indestructible !
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