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simon1987

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401 posts

165 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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why are some cars limited electronically to 155?

NelsonR32

1,777 posts

201 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Nanny state (EU)

simon1987

Original Poster:

401 posts

165 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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well why are some cars that can go faster not?

:s

bigdom

2,360 posts

175 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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simon1987 said:
why are some cars limited electronically to 155?
To appease the Green party in Germany

Pablo68

910 posts

165 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Because travelling at 156mph is very dangerous and kills any fluffy bunnys and children within 200 meters.

Zad

13,022 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Nothing to do with EU rules at all, ostensibly a "gentlemans' agreement" and not a law, I would tend to go with the theory on green appeasement in Germany.

155 MPH = 250KPH

McSam

6,753 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Because it's 250kph, which seemed about right for "reasonable" autobahn use.

Some are limited to 186mph, because that's 300kph.

And no, it's nothing to do with any form of legislation, it's a self-imposed limit manufacturers use.. Think like the 280PS "limit" Japanese manufacturers had in the 90s to stop themselves going silly. A lot of 155mph limiters are about as liberal as that, too hehe

crazy about cars

4,454 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Because it's not safe to go above 155mph. The car will break into smithereens.

GokTweed

3,799 posts

181 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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Is it similar to when Japan 'limited' the bhp of their cars to 276? My dad went north of 155 in his RS4 once (private land)

chris182

4,240 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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bigdom said:
simon1987 said:
why are some cars limited electronically to 155?
To appease the Green party in Germany
Also on a more practical note it allows manufacturers to fit engines with 9 bazillion horsepower without having to fit tyres rated for the huge resulting speeds or aero aids to keep it from taking off etc. On the public road there really is no need or space to go any faster so getting away with £120 tyres instead of £350 tyres and the like is probably a good thing really.

troc

4,088 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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bigdom said:
simon1987 said:
why are some cars limited electronically to 155?
To appease the Green party in Germany
Indeed, it all started as n agreement between BMW, Mercedes and the VAG group to keep the greens happy whilst preserving the unrestricted autobahns. It's now become something of an unwritten rule or habit for all fast cars except for pure sports cars (Porsche, Ferrari etc), very expensive metal and things like M3/5s and RS4/6s which can have the limiter removed for a price.

It also tends to be fairly flexible, my S4 gets to around 160 (GPS verified) before the limiter kicks in.

Number 5

2,761 posts

225 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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GokTweed said:
Is it similar to when Japan 'limited' the bhp of their cars to 276? My dad went north of 155 in his RS4 once (private land)
The B7 RS4 will do more than 155 mph in 5th but in 6th the limiter kicks in

samoht

7,298 posts

176 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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It's called 'voluntary industry restraint'. What it means is that the industry believe (or the government implies) that if they get into a marketing war using top speed or power figures, then the government will feel compelled to pass restrictive legislation (either an outright limit on top speed as in Japan, or a tax as on high power outputs in Italy).

Therefore the industry voluntarily agree to either a) not disclose or b) limit their vehicles' power or top speed.

From wikipedia about motorbikes:

[quote]
The competition to create the fastest production motorcycle ended in a truce, after just over a century of one-upmanship by motorcycle manufacturers that began with the 1894–1897 Hildebrand & Wolfmüller[1] and ended with the 1999–2000 Suzuki Hayabusa.[2][3] A gentlemen's agreement was reached among the major motorcycle manufacturers to limit the speed of their machines to 300 km/h (186 mph), starting with some 2000 models, and becoming widespread by the 2001 model year.[1][4]

After the 1999 Hayabusa sent shockwaves by exceeding the Honda CBR1100XX's record by more than 10 mph, and rumors and leaks from Kawasaki hinted that their upcoming 2000 Ninja ZX-12R would pass the 200 mph milestone, some regulators and politicians in Europe called for an import ban against high speed motorcycles.[1] There were fears that there would be, "an outbreak of illegal racing as riders try to break the 200 mph barrier."[5][6] To preempt regulation and avoid negative publicity, the manufacturers voluntarily ended the race to ever higher speeds.[1][4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_produ...

The German manufacturers have such a voluntary agreement to avoid home market legislation (especially autobahn speed limits). However, it's a fairly fragile truce, with Porsche not taking part, competition to see how much 'tolerance' manufacturers can add, and various 'special options' to lift or remove the limiter at extra expense.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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simon1987 said:
why are some cars limited electronically to 155?
As others have said, voluntary agreemnet in Germany. Among other things it saves the serious manufacturers needing to engineer aerodynamics which can cope safely with higher speeds.

Remember the Top Gear koenigsegg incident?

Lotusevoraboy

937 posts

177 months

Tuesday 19th February 2013
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All the more reason to buy GB...no such st with Lotus!

Scuffers

20,887 posts

304 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Lotusevoraboy said:
All the more reason to buy GB...no such st with Lotus!
And what lotus can top 155 from the showroom?

Baryonyx

18,292 posts

189 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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McSam said:
Some are limited to 186mph, because that's 300kph.
My car is limited to 155mph. Some eggheads have looked at the stats and reckon the gearing will go to 186mph. I want to know what the top speed actually is. I guess somewhere north of 155mph and south of 186mph! At 155mph it feels like it still has more to give. It's working hard enough, but it will easily work harder.

EddieFelson

1,168 posts

244 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Scuffers said:
And what lotus can top 155 from the showroom?
Evora (160mph) supposedly and the Evora S from the sales waffle (172mph).

RDMcG

20,901 posts

237 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Its not that hard to do 200mph in the right car,but there is a definite worry about tires. I have done it a few times,very careful about conditions,almost new tires,perfect inflation etc.

metbandit1

430 posts

183 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Learn to ride a motorbike and get a friend with a turbo hayabusa....