What happened to rear wheel steering?
What happened to rear wheel steering?
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Output Flange

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17,053 posts

242 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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I know that a few manufacturers have flirted with the concept (Renault, Honda to name a couple) but it has never really taken off.

Why's that, then?

HustleRussell

26,608 posts

191 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Complicated to design and implement, heavy, generally unpopular with drivers.

jimbob82

690 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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The RWS Skylines were awesome...smile

Krikkit

27,938 posts

212 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Still out there though - current 7 series has it optioned, I'm sure there's a few more too. Surprised it doesn't come in more big saloons and 4x4's.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

274 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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I think the Merc Vito vans can have it for city use.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Honda and Citroen had passive rear steer using sqishy suspension mounts - I'm pretty sure this still goes on, but isn't advertised because it isn't new or clever like it was 20 years ago.

Grenoble

59,797 posts

186 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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tonyvid said:
I think the Merc Vito vans can have it for city use.
The taxis certainly do...

Zod

35,295 posts

289 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Krikkit said:
Still out there though - current 7 series has it optioned, I'm sure there's a few more too. Surprised it doesn't come in more big saloons and 4x4's.
Presumably just for parking?

lexusboy

1,101 posts

174 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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New Lexus GS450h F-Sport has 4WS

The Wookie

14,209 posts

259 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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With the exception of reduced turning circle you can achieve a lot of the advantages of it with well chosen and tuned kinematics and compliance with none of the weight and complexity.

Plus I'm led to believe there's some potential for interesting failure modes!

Krikkit

27,938 posts

212 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Zod said:
Krikkit said:
Still out there though - current 7 series has it optioned, I'm sure there's a few more too. Surprised it doesn't come in more big saloons and 4x4's.
Presumably just for parking?
A spot of extra manoeuvrability on the road as well it seems, but I would think primarily for parking as it's a big thing to try and navigate into a space. Not a cheap option though.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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The Wookie said:
With the exception of reduced turning circle you can achieve a lot of the advantages of it with well chosen and tuned kinematics and compliance with none of the weight and complexity.

Plus I'm led to believe there's some potential for interesting failure modes!
Add a LSD and you get the reduced turning circle for free too...

mph1977

12,467 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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tonyvid said:
I think the Merc Vito vans can have it for city use.
designed and engineered to get the Vito based cab through the met / TfL/ PCO requirement for use as a 'Black cab' in that Laandaaahn village

DanielJames

7,543 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Quite a few Japanese car makers dabbled in the 90s

Honda Prelude, Mitsubishi Legnum etc

Wonder why it didn't take off, probably cost

Output Flange

Original Poster:

17,053 posts

242 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Surely if it was a cost issue then they wouldn't have made production in the first place?

HustleRussell

26,608 posts

191 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Output Flange said:
Surely if it was a cost issue then they wouldn't have made production in the first place?
Maybe they hoped it'd become the latest must-have option, and would help sell cars?

skinny

5,269 posts

266 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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i didn't like the 4ws in my prelude.
if you were parked close to a kerb, turn the wheel to pull out and the back steers into the pavement and crunches up your rear alloy... not that i could ever get that close as every time i thought i was getting there on a parallel park, the rear would start steering away from the kerb.

never managed to make it go where i wanted and not sad to see 4ws go.

tonyvid

9,889 posts

274 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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doogz said:
Honda also used active systems.

I'm sure you know this, it just read like you were stating they didn't.

I miss mine. It made back seat passengers feel sick. More than they already were from having to sit with their knees beside their head.
Being 6'3" and having been in the back of a mid 80s Prelude, I can confirm this fact!

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

296 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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doogz said:
Captain Muppet said:
Honda and Citroen had passive rear steer using sqishy suspension mounts - I'm pretty sure this still goes on, but isn't advertised because it isn't new or clever like it was 20 years ago.
Honda also used active systems.

I'm sure you know this, it just read like you were stating they didn't.

I miss mine. It made back seat passengers feel sick. More than they already were from having to sit with their knees beside their head.
Sorry, yes, I was refering to the CRX passive rear steer suspension squishiness* rather than the Prelude rear steering rack doodad*.

My brother had a Citroen ZX and would often go on about how clever the passive rear steering was. Usually this ended in my saying "point to just one other thing that isn't dull".



* Vague non-technical terms brought to you from the Campaign to make Engineering Less Nerdy

Leins

10,489 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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BMW 850CSi also came with active 4WS