X builds the car you want but you wish is was built by Y
X builds the car you want but you wish is was built by Y
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Herman Toothrot

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6,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Whilst fixing a failed sensor on my A6 I started thinking what I'd replace it with, after some thought there isn't anything to replace it with, I just wish it was built by Toyota in the '90's.

I like the Audi because its a big estate with 4 wheel drive, is fast and is nice inside. I dislike it because its a typical unreliable VAG product. If Toyota had built a 4wd, big, fast nice estate in the '90's that was essentially an A6 but without the over complication and sometime daft design features thats what I'd want.

Anyone got any others?

ImpossiblyDaft

399 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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So, essentially what you're saying is you want to buy a Toyota Caldina GT ?

cptsideways

13,893 posts

283 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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ImpossiblyDaft said:
So, essentially what you're saying is you want to buy a Toyota Caldina GT ?
Except that would be Avensis sized


aka_kerrly

12,506 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Nissan Stegea....


mikefacel

610 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Anything Alfa built by Honda or Subaru (latter might mean return to boxer engines too).

Herman Toothrot

Original Poster:

6,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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It is unfortunate but Audi do build a good variety of cars covering all bases, but the A6 is turning out to be the most unreliable car I have ever had bar my Peugeot 205, that was the end of ever buying French.

The Audi, failed locks meaning cutting through the door cards to open doors to replace mechanisms, drain channels blocking flooding interior ecus so door flick locked, open, windows drop, coolant sensor failed, vacuum hoses made from non flexible heat bristling plastic above manifolds, dash that controls everything with what looks like a worm going through the pixles obscuring everything, have the constant fear the auto box is going to fail as it randomly bangs and clunks. Wings rusting as they are lined with polystyrene. Then when you open the bonnet remove all plastic nonsense realise nothing cam be got to without engine out. There seems to be no reason it's as complicated as it needs to be.

I want the shell, seats, drive train but with Toyota doing the rest, all mechanisms, peripherals etc. preferably from the 90's so you open the bonnet and its straight forward engine a loom going to it then end.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Herman Toothrot said:
It is unfortunate but Audi do build a good variety of cars covering all bases, but the A6 is turning out to be the most unreliable car I have ever had bar my Peugeot 205, that was the end of ever buying French.

The Audi, failed locks meaning cutting through the door cards to open doors to replace mechanisms, drain channels blocking flooding interior ecus so door flick locked, open, windows drop, coolant sensor failed, vacuum hoses made from non flexible heat bristling plastic above manifolds, dash that controls everything with what looks like a worm going through the pixles obscuring everything, have the constant fear the auto box is going to fail as it randomly bangs and clunks. Wings rusting as they are lined with polystyrene. Then when you open the bonnet remove all plastic nonsense realise nothing cam be got to without engine out. There seems to be no reason it's as complicated as it needs to be.

I want the shell, seats, drive train but with Toyota doing the rest, all mechanisms, peripherals etc. preferably from the 90's so you open the bonnet and its straight forward engine a loom going to it then end.
To expand on this, I thought I wanted a Porsche 911, with Porsche build and Porsche badges.

I bought one, a 2001 model. It was lovely, looked lovely, sounded lovely, all of that.

It was the most unreliable, rubbish car I have ever owned, by some margin. Everything went wrong, some trivial things, some massive things (continual gearbox faults - the box was in and out 7 times in the end, and it was never right even after that and mega £££££'s). In 4 years I spent 15 grand on repairs. Useless.

Even little things that you'd never expect from a Porsche - like pulling the windscreen washers on one day, hearing a 'pop' sound, and seeing washer fluid run down the road. The flipping pipe had popped off the reservior pump.

When I got to it, after dismantling the inner arch covers inside the NSF wheelarch, it was obvious that the pipe is just pushed onto the outlet fixing - without any kind of clip or tie around it. I knew this because there was no clip in sight, and the hose was perfect on the outside - if there HAD been a clip, the hose would have had the tell-tale dents around it. Porsche deemed it good enough that the hose would stay pushed on. This is the kind of crap you expect in French cars, no?

So - Porsche 911 built in Japan anyone?




Pothole

34,367 posts

313 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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aka_kerrly said:
Nissan Stegea....

or even StAgea...

Lotusevoraboy

937 posts

178 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Badge snob here.

Like Pug RCZ.
Like Nissan 350z 370z
Like Toyota GT86

But the brands are too mainstream and boring.

james280779

1,931 posts

260 months

Thursday 14th March 2013
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
To expand on this, I thought I wanted a Porsche 911, with Porsche build and Porsche badges.

I bought one, a 2001 model. It was lovely, looked lovely, sounded lovely, all of that.

It was the most unreliable, rubbish car I have ever owned, by some margin. Everything went wrong, some trivial things, some massive things (continual gearbox faults - the box was in and out 7 times in the end, and it was never right even after that and mega £££££'s). In 4 years I spent 15 grand on repairs. Useless.

Even little things that you'd never expect from a Porsche - like pulling the windscreen washers on one day, hearing a 'pop' sound, and seeing washer fluid run down the road. The flipping pipe had popped off the reservior pump.

When I got to it, after dismantling the inner arch covers inside the NSF wheelarch, it was obvious that the pipe is just pushed onto the outlet fixing - without any kind of clip or tie around it. I knew this because there was no clip in sight, and the hose was perfect on the outside - if there HAD been a clip, the hose would have had the tell-tale dents around it. Porsche deemed it good enough that the hose would stay pushed on. This is the kind of crap you expect in French cars, no?

So - Porsche 911 built in Japan anyone?
I have an 80's 911 and the complete opposite. Build Quality is exceptional
I also have a 1988 Lotus Esprit Turbo....... Every single Lotus part is perfect and original, Almost every single Toyota part has failed.


I would absolutely love the Aston Martin DB9 V12 to be built by Alfa Romeo........ I would now be able to afford one as a shed! Maybe even a couple in different colours depending on my mood.

Herman Toothrot

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6,702 posts

229 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
So - Porsche 911 built in Japan anyone?
911 by Lexus, that could work well although with the flat engines maybe 911 by Subaru would be the better choice?

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

187 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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None. If the car is good, I'll buy it.


Krikkit

27,939 posts

212 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Even little things that you'd never expect from a Porsche - like pulling the windscreen washers on one day, hearing a 'pop' sound, and seeing washer fluid run down the road. The flipping pipe had popped off the reservior pump.

When I got to it, after dismantling the inner arch covers inside the NSF wheelarch, it was obvious that the pipe is just pushed onto the outlet fixing - without any kind of clip or tie around it. I knew this because there was no clip in sight, and the hose was perfect on the outside - if there HAD been a clip, the hose would have had the tell-tale dents around it. Porsche deemed it good enough that the hose would stay pushed on. This is the kind of crap you expect in French cars, no?
Funnily enough that is a french thing, and it works really well. I changed the washer pump on my 106 and the hoses were rock solid on the old one - never touched from the factory. A clip would be wasted time.