Irrational prejudices against certain cars.
Discussion
Is it just me that's got this? I think it stems from when I was little. I used to hate going in other people's cars, and it seems to have instilled a rational dislike / prejudice towards some cars.
I'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
I'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
I HATE all those Korean s
tboxes, like Kias. Nasty, cheap rubbish. I pour scorn.
However, it seems that they've got their acts together, and recently a neighbour bought one of the latest ones. I went out in it, and it was fabulous, for the price.
But I still hate them. I would never own one. Despite what appears to be a nice shape, decent chassis and running gear, low price and a 7 year warranty.
Irrational prejudice is irrational.
tboxes, like Kias. Nasty, cheap rubbish. I pour scorn. However, it seems that they've got their acts together, and recently a neighbour bought one of the latest ones. I went out in it, and it was fabulous, for the price.
But I still hate them. I would never own one. Despite what appears to be a nice shape, decent chassis and running gear, low price and a 7 year warranty.
Irrational prejudice is irrational.
SebastienClement said:
Is it just me that's got this? I think it stems from when I was little. I used to hate going in other people's cars, and it seems to have instilled a rational dislike / prejudice towards some cars.
I'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
Your fords are back to front. Sierras were a nice drive. that era of Escorts were sI'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
te.Studio117 said:
Vauxhall- every single one I have driven has been rubbish and the one I owned was completely st.
Ooh, which ones? t.I did own an Astra GTE back in the day, billy-boy white with the 16v engine. I didn't own it for too long, but that wasn't because I didn't like it or it caused me grief. I can honestly say it was wonderful actually, even the digital dash worked perfectly all the time.
I tell you what, it was a far more reliable, better screwed-together car than the one it replaced, a Peugeot 205 GTi of the same vintage. Now THAT was rubbish - yeah, great to drive and all that - when it was working. Which wasn't often. Truly breathtaking build quality.
DanielSan said:
VAG.
The only reason I still like Lamborghini's is because I refuse to accept them as part of the VAG group on my mind
Yeah. They're not really, they're still doing things in an entirely Italian manner, just think of it as Lambo doing as they wish, and spending the German's money whilst indulging themselves! The only reason I still like Lamborghini's is because I refuse to accept them as part of the VAG group on my mind
I had a tour of Sant Agata a while ago, and to be honest, I didn't see anything at all that looked like it had VAG influence. So rest easy!
SebastienClement said:
Is it just me that's got this? I think it stems from when I was little. I used to hate going in other people's cars, and it seems to have instilled a rational dislike / prejudice towards some cars.
I'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
That's weird with the Sierra/Escort, cos I was always fine travelling round in mates' parent's Sierras. But a mk5/6 Escrote, or a mk3 Fiesta.....basically anything Ford and FWD, I was screwed! Used to get car sick in them, for seemingly no rational reason. They always seemed to have this really crummy plastic smell inside....infact they just seemed to be plastic overload. The ride was always choppy and the seats were always really flat and uncomfortable. Even the sight of the door handles and the sound the central locking used to make was enough to me feel off. The sound of a kent engine too....bad days.I'm relatively young here (23) so the cars mentioned are relatively recent.
I would never go in one of these:
But these were fine:
And again, I remember bawling my eyes out at the prospect of having to go in one of these:
But my grandparents had one of these which I loved:
I still seem to carry some of the prejudices I built up when I was young. I don't know why. But all 'jelly mould' Fords are unreliable. FACT. And all small FIATs have low alternator voltage, ALL of the time.
Could just be law of averages that so many people had Fords back in the day that chances of encountering a parent on the way back from footie training who couldn't drive smoothly was high (sadly none of my mates' parent's had Renault 25s or Mercedes W123s!). Any Sierra or Granada/Scorpio though....no problem.
Since then I've owned a mk5 Fiesta and a mk2 Mondeo. Neither of them 'stirred my soul' as such, but they were both good cars and get the thumbs up from me. Weird!
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Yeah. They're not really, they're still doing things in an entirely Italian manner, just think of it as Lambo doing as they wish, and spending the German's money whilst indulging themselves!
I had a tour of Sant Agata a while ago, and to be honest, I didn't see anything at all that looked like it had VAG influence. So rest easy!
Excellent. I do like the fact that an Italian somewhere has been allowed to sign cheques coming from the germans account. Especially when the result og it is the Aventador.I had a tour of Sant Agata a while ago, and to be honest, I didn't see anything at all that looked like it had VAG influence. So rest easy!
DanielSan said:
VAG.
The only reason I still like Lamborghini's is because I refuse to accept them as part of the VAG group on my mind
And them.The only reason I still like Lamborghini's is because I refuse to accept them as part of the VAG group on my mind
If someone found me a Seat Leon C/R or soemthing for the same money you'd buy a Focus or whatever for, I'd say "ok, fine....it's not much fun but it's a comfy steer. Just a different way of doing things."
But no....most VAG stuff is overpriced for what is something no more special than anything any of the 'non-premium' brands are building.
Used to have the same view on BMWs....until I started working on them. As it turns out, they ARE well engineering and they probably are worth a slight premium seeing as they're pretty good at most things.
But the VAG stuff....just isn't. It's all average at best IMO.
(realise there's a slight VAG-hate camp on here....I'm not in that, I just don't get the fuss about them)
swerni said:
Skoda.
I'm of a certain age where Skoda is just a joke.
Lol, I used to be too. My uncle had a, hmm, Rapide was it? Back in the late 70's. Hateful, nasty rubbish.I'm of a certain age where Skoda is just a joke.
Fast forward to present day, and I am continually amazed that every time I get into my daily drive car - which I have had for 3 years now and has been the singularly best, most reliable, easy to maintain, cheap to service and all-round great package (and fun to drive with Bilstein dampers, H&R springs, Brembo brakes with Goodridge lines and a re-map) - that the badge facing me on the steering wheel says 'Skoda'.
Ok yeah, it's a 'VAG clone' Octavia VRs - but still, it was built in the same Skoda Czech factory as all those rubbish 70's and 80's weapons...and it is wonderful as far as I am concerned.
I've had all sorts of nice and interesting cars over the years, some good, some great, some woeful - cutting my teeth on 80's GTi's, modern Hondas (Prelude, S2000) a Porsche 911 (which was crap) and other stuff like modern Fords, Jeep Wranglers - a good petrolhead's selection. Oh yeah, even a Reliant 3-wheeler!
But for some reason, this 12 year old Skoda, which is worth no more than, what, £1500 on a good day? I love so much, for some weird reason. Strange really. I look after it with a ridiculous amount of care and attention.
And get this - even after 3 years of ownership, I STILL occasionally look out of an upstairs window at it parked outside, and I still think it looks fantastic. The styling is just right, it has a nice stance on the road - not too big like the later Octavias, it looks b
hing in black, and the little boot spoiler finishes it off nicely. I even love the look of the interior through the tinted glass - the half leather seats in black with the white centre panels just look ace, even now.Skoda fanboi. Sorry. Thanks for indulging me
Kitchski said:
And them.
If someone found me a Seat Leon C/R or soemthing for the same money you'd buy a Focus or whatever for, I'd say "ok, fine....it's not much fun but it's a comfy steer. Just a different way of doing things."
But no....most VAG stuff is overpriced for what is something no more special than anything any of the 'non-premium' brands are building.
Used to have the same view on BMWs....until I started working on them. As it turns out, they ARE well engineering and they probably are worth a slight premium seeing as they're pretty good at most things.
But the VAG stuff....just isn't. It's all average at best IMO.
(realise there's a slight VAG-hate camp on here....I'm not in that, I just don't get the fuss about them)
Seat have become over priced fairly recently though which is quite a sad thing. My parents had the newest shape Leon FR when they first came out, the car at the time if I remember rightly was just over 18k. The same car now is £23k, all it seems to have had is a slight facelift since then and no extra spec for the same money.If someone found me a Seat Leon C/R or soemthing for the same money you'd buy a Focus or whatever for, I'd say "ok, fine....it's not much fun but it's a comfy steer. Just a different way of doing things."
But no....most VAG stuff is overpriced for what is something no more special than anything any of the 'non-premium' brands are building.
Used to have the same view on BMWs....until I started working on them. As it turns out, they ARE well engineering and they probably are worth a slight premium seeing as they're pretty good at most things.
But the VAG stuff....just isn't. It's all average at best IMO.
(realise there's a slight VAG-hate camp on here....I'm not in that, I just don't get the fuss about them)
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
I HATE all those Korean stboxes, like Kias. Nasty, cheap rubbish. I pour scorn.
However, it seems that they've got their acts together, and recently a neighbour bought one of the latest ones. I went out in it, and it was fabulous, for the price.
But I still hate them. I would never own one. Despite what appears to be a nice shape, decent chassis and running gear, low price and a 7 year warranty.
Irrational prejudice is irrational.
Same. KIA are making some pretty decent cars at the moment, but if I had the money I would never buy one, much rather have a VW, BMW, Ford etc.tboxes, like Kias. Nasty, cheap rubbish. I pour scorn. However, it seems that they've got their acts together, and recently a neighbour bought one of the latest ones. I went out in it, and it was fabulous, for the price.
But I still hate them. I would never own one. Despite what appears to be a nice shape, decent chassis and running gear, low price and a 7 year warranty.
Irrational prejudice is irrational.
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