Chinese Great Wall Steed Pickup truck

[uk_vette]

Hi all,

Has any one here bought, or had a test drive in the Chinese Great Wall "Steed" ?

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I have been thinking more about the Chinese Great Wall pickup truck, The Steed.
It really looks a decent truck, and when you stand next to it, it feels a good size also.

To make them even greater value, I can buy brand new diesel one, LHD or RHD, (Not UK)any colour, for £7,180, on the road, and registration of about £50 (Not UK)

It seems there are a few petrol and diesel engine options available.

Any one care to comment on which engine would be a good choice?


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What about colour?
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Some Great Wall engines, Mitsubushi, and Toyota engines.


vette

Edited by uk_vette on Monday 25th March 14:12

[CraigyMc]

How did they only manage to get 300Nm of torque out of a 2.5l turbodiesel?

My BMW is 380Nm out of 2 litres of displacement.

C

Edited to make nanometres into Newton metres.

Edited by CraigyMc on Wednesday 20th March 08:11

[Hugo a Gogo]

I know that outside Europe it's not called the macho 'Steed'

it's called the 'Wingle'

[skyrover]

CraigyMc said:

How did they only manage to get 300Nm of torque out of a 2.5l turbodiesel?

My BMW is 380Nm out of 2 litres of displacement.
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Ask Mitsubishi... it's their engine

Your highly strung BMW engine would not hold up in a work truck though is the short answer.

[CraigyMc]

skyrover said:

Your highly strung BMW engine would not hold up in a work truck though is the short answer.

Haha, proof please.

In lieu of that, can we all start making stuff up, or is it just you who is allowed to?

[Mr2Mike]

There's a basic review on the Top Gear website.

"but venture to the dizzy north of 50mph and things rapidly become unrapid. Zero to 62mph is quoted as taking 17secs: it feels tardier."

[uk_vette]

skyrover said:

CraigyMc said:

How did they only manage to get 300Nm of torque out of a 2.5l turbodiesel?

My BMW is 380Nm out of 2 litres of displacement.
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Ask Mitsubishi... it's their engine

Your highly strung BMW engine would not hold up in a work truck though is the short answer.

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Your BMW engine may make more power.
So what? probably uses more fuel doing so?

Vette

[skyrover]

CraigyMc said:

skyrover said:

Your highly strung BMW engine would not hold up in a work truck though is the short answer.

Haha, proof please.

In lieu of that, can we all start making stuff up, or is it just you who is allowed to?

Engines which are shared across a manufacturers range are typically downgraded for truck use in order to increase useful life.

All manufacturers do this.

So your BMW engine might well be put in the truck, but it's output would be reduced.

The quickest example I can think of is Ford's new 5.0 V8 found in both the mustang and also the F-150 pickup truck.

Mustang: 412 bhp 390 lb·ft of torque
F-150: 360 hp 380 lb·ft

Same engine, but different markets/requirements

[CraigyMc]

uk_vette said:

Your BMW engine may make more power.
So what? probably uses more fuel doing so?

Why so defensive?

I didn't say power, I said torque - you know, twisting force?
It's useful for lugging stuff, towing, that sort of thing? Useful for the things pickup trucks do.

Interesting you mention fuel economy given the engine fitted to my car is pretty much at the top of the class for that.

C

[Google [bot]]

uk_vette said:

To make them even greater value

It's not value though is it? It's ridiculous false economy. They're absolute st and (though I don't know what market you're talking about) will be worthless in no time. And in the short timeframe between them being 'cheap' and worthless, you've had to live with the .

[uk_vette]

I should also make a comment that these engines are not the engine that is supplied in the UK imported truck.

The UK imported truck has a 2.0L common rail inter-cooled 4 cyl engine,.
I believe the power output is 105kW (140 bhp) and 330 Tq

So 78kW and 300Nm Tq would be fine for the lower price of just £7180.00 plus £50 registration.
So for £7,230, I could drive away in a brand new one.

Vette

[londonbabe]

Yes, but one of the engine options is called "Smart Saving The King"

[CraigyMc]

skyrover said:

Engines which are shared across a manufacturers range are typically downgraded for truck use in order to increase useful life.

All manufacturers do this.

So your BMW engine might well be put in the truck, but it's output would be reduced.

The BMW 2.0 diesel is already available with the following outputs: 116ps, 143ps, 163ps, 184ps, 204ps, 218ps.

As fitted to my car it develops 163ps and 380Nm. It's already "derated" as you put it: the top spec, 218ps version makes 450Nm from the same displacement (the same bore/stroke are used in all versions).

C

[Monty Zoomer]

I think you'd be better off buying a second hand Nissan, or similar, for the same money.

It'll be better and when you decide to sell it, it'll be worth more.

[CAPP0]

FFS, are we EVER going to get a reasonable discussion about ANYTHING on here in the future without some twonk jumping in and tearing irrelevant, unnecessary strips out of another poster?

Grow the fk up and answer the OP questions.

[300bhp/ton]

CraigyMc said:

skyrover said:

Engines which are shared across a manufacturers range are typically downgraded for truck use in order to increase useful life.

All manufacturers do this.

So your BMW engine might well be put in the truck, but it's output would be reduced.

The BMW 2.0 diesel is already available with the following outputs: 116ps, 143ps, 163ps, 184ps, 204ps, 218ps.

As fitted to my car it develops 163ps and 380Nm. It's already "derated" as you put it: the top spec, 218ps version makes 450Nm from the same displacement (the same bore/stroke are used in all versions).

C

In that case why does yours make so much less than the other versions??

Design and market choice maybe?

Meaning not every engine and especially truck engines are not normally tuned for maximum output of any kind.

[big_boz]

Been a passenger in one it felt no less st or wallowy than an L200.

If you want a pick up and it must be new i see no reason why you wouldn't buy one of these, it looks OK (like a pick up) has plenty of kit (same as or better than competitors), and feels just as rugged as any other pick up i have been in barring the really new stuff which are in a different league but cost twice as much.

If you want a work horse, i see no reason why you wouldn't buy one.

[jones325i]

CAPP0 said:

FFS, are we EVER going to get a reasonable discussion about ANYTHING on here in the future without some twonk jumping in and tearing irrelevant, unnecessary strips out of another poster?

Grow the fk up and answer the OP questions.

Agreed. So bloody annoying. I've just come from the 'where did all the 4wd cars go?' thread and it was exactly the same there. Pages and pages of bickering.

[CraigyMc]

300bhp/ton said:

Meaning not every engine and especially truck engines are not normally tuned for maximum output of any kind.

You don't think torque is useful in trucks?

Perhaps they just aren't engineered up to a standard, but down to a cost instead.

C

[PKLD]

CAPP0 said:

FFS, are we EVER going to get a reasonable discussion about ANYTHING on here in the future without some twonk jumping in and tearing irrelevant, unnecessary strips out of another poster?

Grow the fk up and answer the OP questions.

+eleventymillion

Too much mine is better than yours when the comparisons have no meaning on what the OP is looking for