Which engine/drive layouts have you owned?
Discussion
There's nothing that General Gassing likes better than a heated debate about the pros and cons of various engine/drive layouts. So how many of each layout have you actually owned and which one of them handled best in your opinion?
Here's mine:
Front engined / Front wheel drive (FF): 7
Front engined / Rear wheel drive (FR): 2
Front engined / 4 wheel drive (F4): 3
Mid engined / Rear wheel drive (MR): 1
Mid engined / 4 wheel drive (M4): 0
Rear engined / Rear wheel drive (RR): 2
Rear engined / 4 wheel drive (R4): 0
Best: Subaru 22B (F4) with DCCD variable diff set towards rear-drive bias.
Here's mine:
Front engined / Front wheel drive (FF): 7
Front engined / Rear wheel drive (FR): 2
Front engined / 4 wheel drive (F4): 3
Mid engined / Rear wheel drive (MR): 1
Mid engined / 4 wheel drive (M4): 0
Rear engined / Rear wheel drive (RR): 2
Rear engined / 4 wheel drive (R4): 0
Best: Subaru 22B (F4) with DCCD variable diff set towards rear-drive bias.
louiebaby said:
LotusOmega375D said:
louiebaby said:
Turbo I4 M4
What was that car?
We sold the interior on ebay to make a camper van, and ran it on vegetable oil!
Here's mine:
Front engined / Front wheel drive (FF): 2
Front engined / Rear wheel drive (FR): 7
Front engined / 4 wheel drive (F4): 1
Mid engined / Rear wheel drive (MR): 3
Best Handling: I couldn't possibly say! All of the above have their merits and do different things well and other things less well:
FE/FWD:
Citroen AX GT: Wonderful handling for a FWD car.
Racing Metro: The best handling FWD car I've ever driven. I'm still not a fan of FWD, though it was a good car to compete in.
FE/4WD:
Toyota Celica Carlos Sainz: A tidy handling GT, but didn't need the 4WD for the road. It either needed double the power or half the grip (I guess the rally car had both!). It was great on the loose, when I suppose it did have a lot less grip.
FE/RWD:
E36 325i and 328i Sport Coupé: Superb cars, only bettered by the latest E90 M3 for 1300kg+ saloons imho.
E46 330ci: f
king awful - an absolute joke (2001 model).
E90 320d: Extremely good handling on its standard 16" wheels. I really enjoy this car on twisty roads.
Caterham Roadsport A Race Car: Utterly dreadful with two bad setups. Just before I sold it I sampled it with sorted handling and it was very good, although needed more power or less grip to truly be memorable. I only raced it three times - that was enough.
Caterham Roadsport VVC: A bit soft, but beautiful handling and really playful at the limit.
ME/RWD:
Mk1 MR2: brilliant.
Elise S2 111S: Awesome to drive - the best Elise actually of all the ones I've driven and the best practical everyday road car I've ever driven. In terms of actual handling though obviously not ideal due to the engine being mounted sideways across the rear wheels.
2-Eleven: as above just much more focused and much faster - the lighter weight makes it handle a bit better and drive a bit better though. I'm tempted to say its the best road car I've ever driven, but it's not really a road car and a bit impractical on the road, so that honour may truly have to go to the Elise or the new Exige V6.
Raced and tested a lot, but not owned:
1995 Van Diemen Formula Renault: Always understeered a fair bit and was a bit too heavy and underpowered. Still a satisfying car to drive though and always on your side with few vices.
1998 Ray FFord (ex Anthony Davidson and Antonio Luizzi) in F4 Spec: The best car I've ever driven. Not competitive, but just utterly lovely to drive. Click for a video onboard around the old Snetterton. The engine was a bit further back than the other two single seaters I raced, which gave a nice 'lever' to work with when cornering - I can imagine why people find 911s so absorbing. Sadly destroyed in a big accident a few years ago.
1998 Van Diemen FFord in F4 Spec: Really nice - not quite as good as the Ray though.
The single seaters in my opinion are the ultimate drivers cars. Sadly I've been too tall to fit in any of them properly to really do them justice, but if you do fit then I should imagine no other genre of car comes close.
Front engined / Front wheel drive (FF): 2
Front engined / Rear wheel drive (FR): 7
Front engined / 4 wheel drive (F4): 1
Mid engined / Rear wheel drive (MR): 3
Best Handling: I couldn't possibly say! All of the above have their merits and do different things well and other things less well:
FE/FWD:
Citroen AX GT: Wonderful handling for a FWD car.
Racing Metro: The best handling FWD car I've ever driven. I'm still not a fan of FWD, though it was a good car to compete in.
FE/4WD:
Toyota Celica Carlos Sainz: A tidy handling GT, but didn't need the 4WD for the road. It either needed double the power or half the grip (I guess the rally car had both!). It was great on the loose, when I suppose it did have a lot less grip.
FE/RWD:
E36 325i and 328i Sport Coupé: Superb cars, only bettered by the latest E90 M3 for 1300kg+ saloons imho.
E46 330ci: f
king awful - an absolute joke (2001 model).E90 320d: Extremely good handling on its standard 16" wheels. I really enjoy this car on twisty roads.
Caterham Roadsport A Race Car: Utterly dreadful with two bad setups. Just before I sold it I sampled it with sorted handling and it was very good, although needed more power or less grip to truly be memorable. I only raced it three times - that was enough.
Caterham Roadsport VVC: A bit soft, but beautiful handling and really playful at the limit.
ME/RWD:
Mk1 MR2: brilliant.
Elise S2 111S: Awesome to drive - the best Elise actually of all the ones I've driven and the best practical everyday road car I've ever driven. In terms of actual handling though obviously not ideal due to the engine being mounted sideways across the rear wheels.
2-Eleven: as above just much more focused and much faster - the lighter weight makes it handle a bit better and drive a bit better though. I'm tempted to say its the best road car I've ever driven, but it's not really a road car and a bit impractical on the road, so that honour may truly have to go to the Elise or the new Exige V6.
Raced and tested a lot, but not owned:
1995 Van Diemen Formula Renault: Always understeered a fair bit and was a bit too heavy and underpowered. Still a satisfying car to drive though and always on your side with few vices.
1998 Ray FFord (ex Anthony Davidson and Antonio Luizzi) in F4 Spec: The best car I've ever driven. Not competitive, but just utterly lovely to drive. Click for a video onboard around the old Snetterton. The engine was a bit further back than the other two single seaters I raced, which gave a nice 'lever' to work with when cornering - I can imagine why people find 911s so absorbing. Sadly destroyed in a big accident a few years ago.
1998 Van Diemen FFord in F4 Spec: Really nice - not quite as good as the Ray though.
The single seaters in my opinion are the ultimate drivers cars. Sadly I've been too tall to fit in any of them properly to really do them justice, but if you do fit then I should imagine no other genre of car comes close.
Here's mine:
Front engined / Front wheel drive (FF): 6
Front engined / Rear wheel drive (FR): 6
Front engined / 4 wheel drive (F4): 4
Mid engined / Rear wheel drive (MR): 0
Mid engined / 4 wheel drive (M4): 0
Rear engined / Rear wheel drive (RR): 1
Rear engined / 4 wheel drive (R4): 0
FR is my favourite layout but I haven't tried MR & most sing that layouts praises.
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