Over 500bhp and under 1600kg how rare is this?
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Over the past few years it seems that there are more and more massive HP power house vehicles available from the likes of BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar.
But most also seem to be bloaters too. So without needing to resort to supercars/hypercars/custom built kit cars/custom cars/bespoke, has there been a standard production car with 500 or more bhp and weighing in at under 1600kg?
But most also seem to be bloaters too. So without needing to resort to supercars/hypercars/custom built kit cars/custom cars/bespoke, has there been a standard production car with 500 or more bhp and weighing in at under 1600kg?
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Monday 25th March 11:16
LotusOmega375D said:
There probably never has been any "normal" everyday cars with those figures, so I don't really see the point of the question.
Pretty much how I see it too. Once a car ticks those two boxes, it's pretty much going to be a hyper/super/mega/wizard car no matter how you define it. Most "normal" cars with over 500hp have weights of ~1850kg, things like E60 M5 and various big Mercedes'. I believe this is because dropped the weight by 200kg has very little effect on the performance of the car. They're made for high speed motorway travel in comfort, a high kerb weight aids stability and aerodynamics are probably more important.
With regards to cornering and brakes a lower weight would be prefferential, however big 500hp barges aren't designed with track use in mind
Or are you asking why BMW don't sell a 500hp 1M?
With regards to cornering and brakes a lower weight would be prefferential, however big 500hp barges aren't designed with track use in mind
Or are you asking why BMW don't sell a 500hp 1M?
Yiliterate said:
Depends on how you define 'hypercar'. If the LaFerrari is the hypercar and the 458 'merely' a supercar, then c.570bhp with a dry weight of under 1400kg would qualify...
ok, this might be splitting technicalities. The 458 is Ferrari's mainstream model I agree, but to most ordinary people it is still rather 'hyper' in my opinion. Maybe I wasn't overly clear in the op, but I was rather more thinking of something M5, XKR, GTR type of vehicle. Something a little more ordinary and down to earth than overly exotic.Also dry weight is a bit of a cop out. Kerb is more the norm to reference.
i don't think there are more than a few real production cars with 500hp+
BMW M5/M6, AMG 63 (not sure how many bodies that comes in now) Jag XKR/XF
these are cars sold in reasonable numbers i don't think any are that light, but anything else with that much power is going to be a limit number special edition type car, or a lambo, ferrari, aston etc
not sure of porsche falls into the category with those, but they don't make many 500hp+ cars but the ones they do are fairly limited in number, not sure how many cayenne turbo S they make, but they've over 500hp
BMW M5/M6, AMG 63 (not sure how many bodies that comes in now) Jag XKR/XF
these are cars sold in reasonable numbers i don't think any are that light, but anything else with that much power is going to be a limit number special edition type car, or a lambo, ferrari, aston etc
not sure of porsche falls into the category with those, but they don't make many 500hp+ cars but the ones they do are fairly limited in number, not sure how many cayenne turbo S they make, but they've over 500hp
Let's face it, 1600kg isn't too far north of a modern "wet-weight" for a medium hatchback like an Astra or a Golf.
Interpretting the OPs criteria to mean that he's looking for suggestions that a "normal" four seat cars, then I can't think of anything at a factory spec that meets the criteria.
I think that a mildly breathed on Lotus Carlton would be a good bet to getting close to the numbers, or an RS500 Sierra with a lot of cash under the bonnet.
500bhp is a relatively easy output to stretch a modern production engine to, at the inevitable expense of driveability and longevity, and there will be plenty of cars meeting the criteria on the rollers .... That doesn't mean they'd be fun to drive on the road as a daily driver, however.
Interpretting the OPs criteria to mean that he's looking for suggestions that a "normal" four seat cars, then I can't think of anything at a factory spec that meets the criteria.
I think that a mildly breathed on Lotus Carlton would be a good bet to getting close to the numbers, or an RS500 Sierra with a lot of cash under the bonnet.
500bhp is a relatively easy output to stretch a modern production engine to, at the inevitable expense of driveability and longevity, and there will be plenty of cars meeting the criteria on the rollers .... That doesn't mean they'd be fun to drive on the road as a daily driver, however.
McSam said:
Gad-Westy said:
Is the Aston Martin V12 Vantage a possibility? Not sure what it weighs but seem to remember the V8 being about 1500kg.
The V8 is 1550kg, but sadly the V12 comes in at 1680kg.Sticking to the requirements, short of mega cars, I don't think we'll find much.
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