Pop down the scrap yard son and get me a DSG box....
Pop down the scrap yard son and get me a DSG box....
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arthur t

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99 posts

236 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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So I am now at the Grand old age of 31. My first car was a Crap Vauxhall Nova, at some point I think every part was changed due to it breaking.
For me that meant driving down to the local scrap yard with my mates and a Massive tool box and finding another Nova ( which there were Millions) rip a bit off give the guy a £10 and done part fixed.

Now when my child gets to 17 (baby on the way) and he/she gets the new Clio with DSG box and built in sat Nav etc etc how on earth are they going to be able to fix it?

My local scrap yard is soon to be a housing estate and a bob a job garage will not have the equipment to do these type of car which mean main dealers and £££££....

Am I the only one thinking this?

djdestiny

6,542 posts

209 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Dedicated marque forums are the new scrap yards

Krikkit

27,941 posts

212 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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It'll happen - the dealer software will trickle out into the mainstream toolbox etc. It's a much bigger barrier of entry into DIY fixing though, I'll give you that!

dumfriesdave

406 posts

168 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Agreed Arthur.
Half the fun of keeping my first cars roadworthy was Saturday visits to local scrapyard.

Trying to unbolt a wiper linkage from a car while doing the splits- one foot on a roof and other on a door pillar 3 cars high.

Edited by dumfriesdave on Friday 29th March 08:40

Getragdogleg

10,306 posts

214 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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The forums are indeed the new scrap yards, Also although the tech seems a bit space age and out of reach for the average man with a lock up the parts still bolt in place and plug in, the tricky bit is getting the fault diagnosed and then the codes cleared and the new part talking to the rest of the car.
A mate of mine has a little box plugged into the dignostic port of his car that sends data to his mobile phone which has an app to read what the data says and display it.

This is the future, tech savvy people will have no problems with making components work in different cars, it's just a different way of looking at the problem of having a broken car, less tyre kicking and sucking in of breath and more geekery.

fastcars_hardy

274 posts

229 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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i know where your coming from because at mine they keep all the good cars at the back so you cant take parts and have to pay for them to remove which makes it not worth it. but on the other hand i do think peoples thoughts about main dealers are somethings wrong. i agree with servicing and pads and discs ect because anyone can do them but i know people that have gone to garages and paid out £££ of pounds and got know where. them gone to main dealer and been diag and fixed in half the time all makes and models mate down the road will.

pad58

12,549 posts

212 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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djdestiny said:
Dedicated marque forums are the new scrap yards
This is true, the modern engine is, well not a DIY jobbie is it.
When I had escorts and VW jettas they where so easy to understand but now with all those pipes and sensors everywhere I don't know which does what also WHY do we need them.

soad

34,751 posts

207 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Local scrap yard long gone, not sure there's that many left now.

Dodsy

7,175 posts

258 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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For unusual machinery we have the independent specialist garages. For the more mundane stuff you'd be surprised what the back street garages can do now. My local one has just 2 ramps in a tiny unit and does the run of the mill servicing and MOTs, usual bread and butter stuff. But he also has a VAG and a Jaguar diagnostic computer setup , think he may have a merc one as well. He tells me that you cant just get away with a generic code computer now so he's gradually investing in the marque specific ones.

He's seen a significant increase in his business as word has got around via forums that he's cheap and has all the right diagnostics tools.


Evoluzione

10,345 posts

274 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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What exactly is wrong with taking your car to someone and asking them to fix it?

pinchmeimdreamin

10,916 posts

249 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Evoluzione said:
What exactly is wrong with taking your car to someone and asking them to fix it?
Nothing at all wrong with it, however a lot of people prefer/enjoy fixing problems themselves, It is also normally alot cheaper.

skyrover

12,700 posts

235 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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internet forums and ebay are the new scrapyards wink

Cupramax

11,007 posts

283 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Incase you hadn't noticed its useful to learn how to fix things yourself. Like the OP I spent many a happy weekend up a pile of scrappers finding bits to fix/improve my car. Where do kids get the chance to do that now? Yes thinking back it was dangerous but neither me or any of my mates died doing it.

liner33

10,861 posts

233 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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On the plus side modern on-board diagnostics can really help pin point the fault

Swapping parts is hardly challenging even on modern cars

I used to help my grandfather work on his cars when I was a kid , he rebuilt engines and gearboxes at home and spent many a weekend lying on the cold concrete drive fixing something, even today few people do that you have to be a real enthusiast to tackle such jobs, most people simply swap stuff out

So its gone from rebuilding an engine over the weekend because you need to car on Monday to swapping the engine with another , no doubt in a few years you'll just scrap the car when it needs major work leaving the enthusiasts and Ed China to tackle the jobs no one wants to do anymore.

talksthetalk

10,821 posts

166 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
Evoluzione said:
What exactly is wrong with taking your car to someone and asking them to fix it?
Nothing at all wrong with it, however a lot of people prefer/enjoy fixing problems themselves, It is also normally alot cheaper.
Say you can do something in three hours and a tenner for a scrappy part.
You can take it somewhere and they will charge >£60 for the 1.5 hours it takes them plus say 40 quid for the new part.
If you earn £10 per hour net, that's 10 hours work

You have paid £10
Done it in £30 for the value of your work.
Saving £60 and having the satisfaction of doing it yourself.

Or pay the £100 because that's what you're happy to pay not to go rolling around on the road in the wet/snow/cold fixing something.

Horses for Corsas. TBH I'd have a lot longer trying to fixing something myself if it needed doing on a dry summer day than a wet winter one.

Garvin

5,661 posts

208 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Code readers are available for not much money - an essential piece of equipment these days for anyone's toolbox. The Internet and specialist forums yield all you need to know about codes and fixes. Diagnostics are so much easier and quicker than the 'good old days' - plug in code reader, read code, retire to computer and a few clicks later the problem and solutions are all to hand and without getting your hands even the merest bit grubby!

Now I'll agree that scrap yards ain't what they used to be but I understand that this is down to elf & safety not allowing Joe Public to clamber over vehicles stacked 3 high these days. However, the Internet is your friend here as well - plenty of breakers on line who will deliver the part you need to your door relatively cheaply, so hands still not grubby! Now you can get down and dirty and fix the thing.

So, Haynes manual now replaced by code reader and iPad - just different, modern tools.

As for cars being more difficult to work on - not really. Yes, you generally have to remove more stuff these days to get at things but it isn't difficult, just takes a bit more time. Engines, brakes, clutches, suspension etc are pretty much unchanged from the 'days of old' it's just people get intimidated by modern stuff for no real reason.

djdestiny

6,542 posts

209 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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If you have an Audi/Skoda/VW/Seat get yourself a copy of Vagcom and buy a cable.
Plug it into your laptop and scan it, clear codes etc etc.
I scan mine every few weeks to check for any fault codes with an old laptop that lives in my garage.
Its free and takes 5 mins smile

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

188 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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I've seen people quoted £2000 just to change a manual box on the mk3 Clio, I'd hate to think what they'd want for the auto box...


r11co

6,244 posts

261 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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The 'net is your friend. Getting used parts is now easier than ever with them being delivered to your door. Only downsides are the delay and not actually getting a visual of the part just to confirm it is the right thing.

Evo

3,462 posts

285 months

Friday 29th March 2013
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Ha ha fair point, I'm 38 and spent many a very happy weekend at a local scrapyard undoing many parts from Lancia Beta's