Astra 1.7CDTi Ran out of fuel now borked
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Starts apparently then keeps stalling. I posted earlier but can't edit the header so new thread.
Any hint and tips, bleeding seems to involve 3 priming cycles. Ignition on 15 secs x3 then start.
Just bought it as work in progress as it was quite cheap and will do the wife perfect since my beloved Passat spat it's dummy via the turbo.
Any hint and tips, bleeding seems to involve 3 priming cycles. Ignition on 15 secs x3 then start.
Just bought it as work in progress as it was quite cheap and will do the wife perfect since my beloved Passat spat it's dummy via the turbo.
Only experience i have was on an ancient BX 1.9. There was a little button on top of the pump you pushed till either your thumb fell off or it started!
In 28 years of driving i've only ever run out of fuel on that. Was ridiculously economical and i swear people used to sneak round and pour fuel in it!
In 28 years of driving i've only ever run out of fuel on that. Was ridiculously economical and i swear people used to sneak round and pour fuel in it!
15000 psi - really? Crack each of the fuel pipes off where they attach to the injectors. Then get someone else to turn her over whilst you keep an eye on things.
As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
Andyjc86 said:
Crack each of the fuel pipes off where they attach to the injectors. Then get someone else to turn her over whilst you keep an eye on things.
As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
NO NO NO NO! FFS if you haven't a clue don't give crap advise!As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
The pressure in those lines at tickover alone is roughly 400 bar / 6000psi!
Op how much fuel did you put in to try and restart it? If it was only 5 litres then sling at least another 5 in as the Astra H usually requires 10 litres to start from empty.
wolf1 said:
NO NO NO NO! FFS if you haven't a clue don't give crap advise!
The pressure in those lines at tickover alone is roughly 400 bar / 6000psi!
Op how much fuel did you put in to try and restart it? If it was only 5 litres then sling at least another 5 in as the Astra H usually requires 10 litres to start from empty.
Your completely right, no idea what so ever. Explain to me a better way of doing it?The pressure in those lines at tickover alone is roughly 400 bar / 6000psi!
Op how much fuel did you put in to try and restart it? If it was only 5 litres then sling at least another 5 in as the Astra H usually requires 10 litres to start from empty.
I've used the above method 100's of times and never died, not even once! Shocking I know......
Good advice re slinging in at least 10 litres of fuel, there was a thing on the radio a while ago about the 'death' of the 5 litre can, as so many fuel systems have big accumulators and tanks after the fuel tank, so a measly 5 litres might not even reach the engine when the system has run dry.
I would always advise a cloth over any injector I was loosening, to catch the diesel, don't ask me how I know that one.....
I would always advise a cloth over any injector I was loosening, to catch the diesel, don't ask me how I know that one.....
Andyjc86 said:
Your completely right, no idea what so ever. Explain to me a better way of doing it?
I've used the above method 100's of times and never died, not even once! Shocking I know......
You are very lucky, common rail diesels as above run silly pressures, say that the cars are very clever and if you crack off an injector pipe the fuel pressure sensor in the rail will detect it and stop it from creating the pressure.I've used the above method 100's of times and never died, not even once! Shocking I know......
The astra engine you have has a suck and blow high pressure pump, it is located at the back of the engine and sucks fuel from the tank and turns into into high pressure to the injectors, these pumps are very common to fail doing the sucking from the tank, you can remove the top plate and clean them out, worth a try.
Saying that if you don't have a great deal of knowledge regards the system I would let someone who does play around with it.
Carl
Edited by C. Grimsley on Tuesday 2nd April 22:23
I wouldn't say lucky, just the way I was taught many years ago. That's why I said crack (about half a turn). Your only allowing a small bit of fuel to be released. Then as soon as you see fuel coming out you stop cranking the engine. It's common sense really.
Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
Andyjc86 said:
Crack each of the fuel pipes off where they attach to the injectors. Then get someone else to turn her over whilst you keep an eye on things.
As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
Please don't do this. As soon as you start getting fuel through, shout at the person to stop! Then do up the nuts, and turn it over again. As soon as it fires hold the revs at about 3k.
Should only need a 17mm spanner
Andyjc86 said:
I wouldn't say lucky, just the way I was taught many years ago. That's why I said crack (about half a turn). Your only allowing a small bit of fuel to be released. Then as soon as you see fuel coming out you stop cranking the engine. It's common sense really.
Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
Your method is correct for older tech diesels running Bosch VE Mechanical pumps such as Peugeot Citroen XUD 1.7 & 1.9, VAG 1.6 & 1.9td, Mercedes 190 2.0 & 2.5 etc.Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
It's really not a good idea to use this method on modern common rail diesels. The pressures are absolutely enormous and shouldn't be underestimated.
Andyjc86 said:
I wouldn't say lucky, just the way I was taught many years ago. That's why I said crack (about half a turn). Your only allowing a small bit of fuel to be released. Then as soon as you see fuel coming out you stop cranking the engine. It's common sense really.
Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
Time for old dogs to be taught new tricks! What was common practice on pump injection systems should never be tried on high pressure common rail systems. Like I said, spraying easy start in also works, but not as effective
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