Which German estate?
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Irish

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3,991 posts

270 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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So, folks - which mid-size estate:

1) 2.0l BMW 3 Series Estate

2) 2.0l Audi A4 Estate

Assume both are 2007, top(ish) spec and require capacity for twins and a twin buggy.

Struggling to know which is most practical. A4 seem to have a £2k premium and I cannot see why!

Some Gump

13,018 posts

217 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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3 sries estate boot is a bit lacking in scale. Not so true of the most recent model though.

3 series much more fun to drive than the A4, and imo the engine is better (more refined, higher economy).

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

251 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Irish said:
A4 seem to have a £2k premium and I cannot see why!
Neither can I if it's a B8 A4. My Dad's is so pathetically small inside, it doesn't deserve to be classed as an Estate, or avant or what ever Audi call it.

I'd get an E60 5 series estate instead personally.

Felters

618 posts

230 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Had both.

BMW is a nicer car to drive - I had the 320d. A4 is a bit roomier. The only problem with the BMW is that it is useless if it snows at all. We live up on a hill and two winters ago it sat on the drive for two weeks. HTH.

stewies_minion

1,167 posts

218 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Defo +1 on the size thing.

A 3 series estate is far too small for that duty. I'd be looking at a Passat estate / 5 series estate size for that.

Our 3 series estate is fine or light family duties but too small for much else.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

236 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Sounds like a job for an E61 tbh.

blade7

11,311 posts

247 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Felters said:
Had both.

BMW is a nicer car to drive - I had the 320d. A4 is a bit roomier. The only problem with the BMW is that it is useless if it snows at all. We live up on a hill and two winters ago it sat on the drive for two weeks. HTH.
Same here, I had a 328 coupe and loved the car in the dry but on snow or ice it was useless. I'd still pick a BMW over a 2wd Audi, a quattro is a different matter.

Irish

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3,991 posts

270 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Should add it has to be petrol and manual.

Interesting thoughts on size. We live in London so no school runs or commutes. To be used for the 0-2years stage.

Surely a 3 series / A4 is big enough or I am a naive father-to-be.....

stewies_minion

1,167 posts

218 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Sorry fella. Naive.

I'd say Passat or bigger for twins. A twin buggy may just fit in the boot of a 3 or an A4...

...but that's the tip of a Metric fkton sized iceberg.

RS6 if you need to get anywhere at speed..?

Irish

Original Poster:

3,991 posts

270 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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stewies_minion said:
Sorry fella. Naive.

I'd say Passat or bigger for twins. A twin buggy may just fit in the boot of a 3 or an A4...

...but that's the tip of a Metric fkton sized iceberg.

RS6 if you need to get anywhere at speed..?
Right so folks - hit me with options for a twin mover for London.

I just think an e61 is overkill.....

Mr E

23,102 posts

290 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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stewies_minion said:
Sorry fella. Naive.

I'd say Passat or bigger for twins. A twin buggy may just fit in the boot of a 3 or an A4...

...but that's the tip of a Metric fkton sized iceberg.
This was my initial thought as well.
We have a single small human. And a large estate car. We fill the car reasonably regularly.
I think we'd be irritated quite often with anything smaller (I'm sure we'd survive; first world problems and all that).

Some Gump

13,018 posts

217 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Op, sorry o mislead re engine comparison, i'd autoread that as 320d vs 2l tdi...

Ps - is the loke saying rs6 compensating or th lack of input from 300bhp/ton? Have ou considered. Caillac?

Legend83

10,593 posts

253 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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We had twins in 2011.

We looked at:

- 3 series estate
- Subaru Legacy
- 5 series estate
- Merc E Class
- Saab 9-5
- Volvo V70
- Octavia
- Mondeo Estate

The 3 series boot was pathetic for our needs, the Legacy not much better. The 5 series and E Class were definitely better; the other four adequate if a little uninspiring.

Say goodbye to using the middle seat on any of these cars though as the car seats will protrude to much either side.

We ended up with a 2.5T Ford S Max - go figure....

Good luck!

Irish

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Monday 8th April 2013
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Thanks Legend.

Anyone have any thought on the Volvo XC60?

Legend83

10,593 posts

253 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Irish said:
Thanks Legend.

Anyone have any thought on the Volvo XC60?
A decent car, likely to be more reliable than the much maligned XC90. The only thing that put us off was the very high rear windows - children would not be able to see out of them which I could imagine would not help car sickness / whinging etc!

Dapster

9,605 posts

211 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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Forget the A4 (I have experience) and by implication the 3. The issue isn't so much the boot space, but the rear seat space. Once the kids are in forward facing seats, there just won't be enough room behind the driver for he or she to sit comfortably if he or she is above about 5' 8".

By getting an A6/5/E class you are not only solving the space issue but getting far more for your money as these cars are respectively better value second hand than their "premium exec" sized alternatives.

The other consideration is that once the kids are nursery aged (say, 3+) you'll spend your weekend ferrying them and their little mates around. To do so, and also if you want to take nanny/grandparents/any one else around with you, you have to have a 7 seater as the middle seat will be unusable. Unless you fancy changing cars again in a few years you may as well bite the bullet and take the hit now...

1) People carrier (S-MAX is by a country mile the best bet)
2) 7 seat SUV (personally a used X5, but the new Hyundai is a belter apparently)

If it must be an estate, the bigger the better.

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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A Passat has a squarer boot which allows you to fit that bit more in IMHO - we got a Passat because the dogs wouldn't fit in the Audi.....

louiebaby

11,014 posts

222 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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We've got one, now 4 months, and have an E39 touring. It's nice that whenever we've gone away for a week or a weekend, we don't have to load up past the window line.

When we went away for 10 days, I drove, the wife sat behind me and the boy behond the passenger seat. We put a bag in the passenger footwell, on the passenger seat and had the boot full to the window line.

You could do all that and have two sprogs, filling it up to the roof, but you might appreciate not having to.

However, as someone has mentioned, there is the issue of the seats being rear facing for the first few months. With twins, I would have thought you would want to put Mum in the middle, so she can apply bottles, dummies, toys, muslin cloths etc to either.

For that you're looking for something with 3 full sized seats I think. And that leads you down the MPV route, probably.

damci

963 posts

249 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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A4/3 series probably too small once you need forward facing car seats. I know you said no diesels but I would go for an A6 3.0TDI Quattro at that price range.

jdwoodbury

1,372 posts

237 months

Monday 8th April 2013
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I would go 5 series or A6...you need a big boot for twins.