RE: Maserati Ghibli - official
RE: Maserati Ghibli - official
Monday 22nd April 2013

Maserati Ghibli - official

The covers are off and the Maserati Ghibli is offical - and makes the Germans look dull



Thanks to the wonder of the internet we already knew what the Maserati Ghibli was going to look like before the covers were removed on Saturday at the Shanghai show. But now the car has been officially unveiled there's a lot more information about what's going on under the skin too.

We've seen the leaked pics - here it is for real
We've seen the leaked pics - here it is for real
Fears of a sell-out branding exercise to milk the Maserati name in an effort to hit those 50,000 sales per year they keep banging on about should be calmed a little too. First there's Maserati's insistence that the Ghibli - 29cm shorter than the Quattroporte overall and 20cm shorter in wheelbase - will have "a more-focused, sportier philosophy", underpinned by an engine range that features two all-new twin-turbo V6s and a similarly clean-sheet V6 diesel. All come with mechanical limited-slip diffs as standard and even the diesel will hit 0-62mph in 6.3 seconds, and has 275hp and 442lb ft of torque. An XF Diesel S, also with 275hp, is four tenths faster but it's not a bad effort given this is Maserati's first ever diesel.

The 3.0-litre twin-turbo petrol engines, built in Maranello by Ferrari, will come in 330hp and 410hp S tune and both are closely related to the V8 in the Quattroporte, sharing block architecture, manifold design and bore among other things.

Modular V6 based on Quattroporte's V8
Modular V6 based on Quattroporte's V8
Even the diesel gets Maserati's Active Sound system which uses 'sound actuators' in the exhaust system that "accentuate the engine's most distinctive tones" and become "even more resonant and utterly inspiring" when you press the Sport button. If you were hoping for a classically blood curdling Italian soundtrack you may be disappointed though - they may be built by Ferrari but even the petrol V6s are torque-biased sluggers redlined at 6,500rpm and delivering their peak twist from 1,750rpm. They're not slow though, the 330hp version hitting 0-62 in 5.6 seconds and the 410hp S in five dead. Nor is it hamstrung by the German brands' deference to the 155mph limiter, topping out at 177mph.

Right-hand drive cars will all be rear-driven, other markets getting the option of Maserati's Q4 four-wheel drive system which sends power forward from a default 0:100 rearward bias to 50:50 when needed. In all cases ZF's eight-speed handles shifting duties.

If you discount the mainstream German saloon rivals as a bit stodgy and staid, the Ghibli's natural competition would be led by the Jaguar XF and the newly refreshed Porsche Panamera (also unveiled in Shanghai with a new 420hp downsized twin-turbo V6, entirely coincidentally...), with 'coupaloons' like the Mercedes CLS,BMW 6 Series Gran Coupe and Audi A7 also featuring on the shortlist. The Maserati badge carries more romance than any of those and that, for many, would be enough on its own combined with some suitably sexy bodywork. That the mechanical spec sounds so convincing too should have these established equivalents looking distinctly nervous, depending on where Maserati chooses to pitch the price.

Suddenly that near-tenfold increase in sales doesn't seem like such a daft boast after all.

   




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TheBALDpuma

Original Poster:

5,940 posts

198 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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That really is an excellent looking car. thumbup

rs200evo

141 posts

277 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....

A Scotsman

1,001 posts

229 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I agree. It seems ridiculous because I really can't think of any good reason for not providing a 4WD version for RHD countries.

whiteonyx

375 posts

245 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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what a fantastic second hand buy in a few years time for real PHers

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

213 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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A Scotsman said:
rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I agree. It seems ridiculous because I really can't think of any good reason for not providing a 4WD version for RHD countries.
BMW iX is back over here.

Let's hope this Ghibli spawns a no holds barred Shamal version in the near future.

dave stew

1,502 posts

197 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I used to think it was the position of the transfer box fouling a RHD steering column, but of course they drive on the left in Japan so it must be a marketing decision with Lexus.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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A Scotsman said:
rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I agree. It seems ridiculous because I really can't think of any good reason for not providing a 4WD version for RHD countries.
The expense of re-engineering the systems for a small market isn't worth it, even if they did the ensuing costs passed on to the buyer from all the custom bits needed would be eye-watering.

lufbramatt

5,677 posts

164 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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A Scotsman said:
rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I agree. It seems ridiculous because I really can't think of any good reason for not providing a 4WD version for RHD countries.
Probably because something like the transfer box or prop shaft gets in the way of the RHD steering column so you'd need a different gearbox casting and internals to make it work. Lots of R+D money for potentially very few sales.

ETA: need to refresh the page more often getmecoat

LMP

116 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Krikkit said:
The expense of re-engineering the systems for a small market isn't worth it, even if they did the ensuing costs passed on to the buyer from all the custom bits needed would be eye-watering.
Audi seems to manage OK.

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Looking forwards to this, and the V6 Twin turbo.

Aftershox

397 posts

188 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Very nice, how much?

trashbat

6,307 posts

183 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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I figured it might be logistical rather than an engineering problem. Lower volume and nuclear RHD markets might make it a headache to offer comparatively unpopular specs; you must end up with some examples not commissioned by customers, you can't move stock around different countries so easily, and you have to support them in aftersales.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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LMP said:
Krikkit said:
The expense of re-engineering the systems for a small market isn't worth it, even if they did the ensuing costs passed on to the buyer from all the custom bits needed would be eye-watering.
Audi seems to manage OK.
Their cars are designed to accommodate 4WD in the platform since time began- most of the cars which are incorporating it later into their platform lives have not considered it that way, since the trend for 4WD wasn't as pervasive when they were designed.

mr2j

516 posts

188 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Not especially keen on this new middle-management Maserati.

This, however:


simonigrale

918 posts

236 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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lufbramatt said:
A Scotsman said:
rs200evo said:
What is with this constant exclusion of the UK for 4WD version of new models? Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Jag....
I agree. It seems ridiculous because I really can't think of any good reason for not providing a 4WD version for RHD countries.
Probably because something like the transfer box or prop shaft gets in the way of the RHD steering column so you'd need a different gearbox casting and internals to make it work. Lots of R+D money for potentially very few sales.

ETA: need to refresh the page more often getmecoat
I'm told it is the transfer box getting in the way of a RHD steering column. Maserati are not really a big enough company to design around this. Does seem a shame that we never get the 4WD variants as even with a few months of snow the country struggles. I've used BMWs, Lexus' Mercs ect. And they're terrible.

The only cure is to fit proper winter tyres.

Love the Ghibli though, hopefully I could stretch to the entry level car in a few years.

mikeg15

287 posts

230 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Where does one start. It's horrible. The chinese will love it.

mat205125

17,790 posts

243 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Utterly fantastic! It's very rare these days that a car is launched that really inspires that "WANT!!!" urge quite as strongly as this one.

I really hope it sells (reasonably) well (to the right "sorts"), proves durable, and lands on my drive when the first used examples approach 5 years old.

Hellbound

2,515 posts

206 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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mikeg15 said:
Where does one start. It's horrible. The chinese will love it.
Initially I thought it was okay. Now I'm less convinced. I'll need to hear the V6 blat down the high street first.

Mr. Magoo

686 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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The current styling theme that all cars need to look like darth vader or a storm trooper is quite dull.

TNH

592 posts

177 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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A sound symposer in a diesel? Seriously..?

Fair enough for the petrols - especially if it isnt through the speakers like the M5 and more Focus ST hole in bulkhead type thing... but although diesels are starting to sound slightly un-tractor like do you really want that clatter pumping into the cabin?!