Why the hate for diesels?

[dci]

Spent an hour or two reading through posts on here today and I just can't understand the total hate for diesel powered cars?

They may be heavy lumps and older ones may sound like canal boats but they do have their uses. I have one and it having a great deal more torque than the equivalent petrol hatch with the same low insurance group means I get a little more for the amount I pay for insurance, 60+ mpg on my daily commute is a bonus too.

Richard

[porscheegt3]

Throttle response, turbo lag

[Stu R]

People like different things. I like my diesels. I also like my petrols. They have very different uses, however. YMMV

[anonymous-user]

-lots of common, expensive problems
-tiny power band
-tractor soundtrack
-diesel costs more than petrol
-diesel models cost more because everyone thinks they need one


I certainly dont hate diesels but they are bought with the head, not the heart. If I was covering a huge mileage then I'd have one to save a bit of money.. but that's it.

[GC8]

porscheegt3 said:

Throttle response, turbo lag

My desirable turbocharged sportscar has terrible lag.

[TheHeretic]

But why hate it? Just don't buy it, problem solved. I don't want to wear born rimmed glasses and a feather boa, but I don't hate them. What is to hate about a fuel? It's a fuel, nothing more.

[Amirhussain]

TheHeretic said:

But why hate it? Just don't buy it, problem solved. I don't want to wear born rimmed glasses and a feather boa, but I don't hate them. What is to hate about a fuel? It's a fuel, nothing more.

+1

[anonymous-user]

i love diesel suits me better, not a 0-60 guy love the torque for over taking and laziness engine.

An audi R8 v12 tdi is a dream car.

[DukeDickson]

TheHeretic said:

But why hate it? Just don't buy it, problem solved. I don't want to wear born rimmed glasses and a feather boa, but I don't hate them. What is to hate about a fuel? It's a fuel, nothing more.

It isn't the fuel, but the compromises that the use of brings, in combination with the silly emotions like passion, excitement and the like.

Why like/dislike anything when you can simply be Which?'d?

[pboyd]

The Spruce goose said:

i love diesel suits me better, not a 0-60 guy love the torque for over taking and laziness engine.

An audi R8 v12 tdi is a dream car.

Sound great don't they? Love revving to 8k rpm!

[dci]

Diesel costs more?

My car does 65 mpg average and the gf's petrol hatch about 45 at most. While diesel may cost 5p more per litre the diesel car would be saving more than 5p over that litre or have I missed something?

Richard

[pboyd]

dci said:

Diesel costs more?

My car does 65 mpg average and the gf's petrol hatch about 45 at most. While diesel may cost 5p more per litre the diesel car would be saving more than 5p over that litre or have I missed something?

Richard

Yes

They are heavy
Sound st
Cost more to service
Don't rev much

[crosseyedlion]

dci said:

Diesel costs more?

My car does 65 mpg average and the gf's petrol hatch about 45 at most. While diesel may cost 5p more per litre the diesel car would be saving more than 5p over that litre or have I missed something?

Richard

Just wait for the DMF (they fail earlier in diesels), turbo, injectors etc... to fail.
With that and the increased purchase cost, savings gone.

So in the long term, no major cost saving and you could have had a lovely petrol with a nice wide powerband.

I'm not saying i'll never buy a diesel, but It'll take quite a car...

[DukeDickson]

dci said:

Diesel costs more?

My car does 65 mpg average and the gf's petrol hatch about 45 at most. While diesel may cost 5p more per litre the diesel car would be saving more than 5p over that litre or have I missed something?

Richard

Over how many miles? How much extra did your car cost to buy? Will you recoup that difference in proportional or absolute terms? Does it cost the same to run, all things considered? Does it cost the same to maintain & will it in the future?

Even if justifiable on a practical/financial front, do you have something which floats the boat? If you're here rather than grey slacks monthly forum, presumably you have .


If you travel to the moon regularly and/or have an appropriate outlet then fair enough. Otherwise, I'd question & not for me personally.

[Alfahorn]

I do 20,000 miles a year, my car averages 42 mpg the equivalent petrol model does 30 mpg so just isn't viable for me. Although I would prefer to own the petrol model.

[jmorgan]

People hate stuff. It is what they do.

[anonymous-user]

'Diesels cost more ' true
But come resale time, the diesel will have held on to that initial outlay. The petrol will be nigh impossible to shift. Initial outlay can be taken out if the equation ...

[coppice]

These threads always amuse me;the anti diesel responses often sound as if they were written solely by F458 and Gallardo owners rather than ,in all likelihood , the owners of worthy but dull cars which most of us drive. I have driven diesels as daily drivers for years- love the torque and range and although tiny powerband is a complaint I can't say that I have ever felt that for at least a decade - my first diesel , a 306D Turbo went like a rocket between 2200 and 2900 and that was it! But my recent VAG diesels pull through at least 3500 rpm and I have no complaints about that, nor about a trip to Heathrow and back last week - 500miles at 62mph and 50.8 mpg- OK trip computer may lie but a petrol equivalent would not have done that.

I drive a Duratec powered Caterham for fun and am not immune to the charms and response, not to mention noise of a decent petrol but for droning up and down motorways I really cannot see the point of petrol cars any more.

[skene]

I love my smoke spewing diesel. And part of that is that some people have a bee in their bonnet about diesels when as already mentioned its just a fuel.

[skyrover]

I enjoy the torque and fuel economy in land rovers diesel, but given the choice I would swap to a large capacity petrol in a heartbeat

why?

Noise, vibrations, smell, throttle response and lack of top end power