Ex MOD vehicles for sale outside EU only?

[mat777]

I see a lot of Mil surplus vehicles for sale on Withams - both proper army vehicles like Landies, as well as "top brass" cars like Jags and RR's - at very cheap prices. however, this is invairably because they carry the caveat "for sale outside EU only". one such example is below:

http://www.mod-sales.com/vehicle/search/44865/Jagu...


Why is this restriction slapped on so much ex-govt. equipment?

[marshalla]

Built for non-EU countries so aren't type approved. Probably some VAT & duty issues too.

Edited by marshalla on Wednesday 8th May 23:22

[Bushi]

Can you not just export and re-import? could be possible to do without the car leaving the docks.

[mat777]

marshalla - but surely the main car is type approved? whats different? I would say the LHD parts etc wont be type approved, but then most of the EU is LHD so that cant be it? they dont sell them without any emissions gubbins to the developing markets or something do they?

bushi - I like your thinking

[marshalla]

Mat777 - just tell us the answer you want.It'll make everything easier.



http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/ecwvta-frame...

[mat777]

marshalla said:

Mat777 - just tell us the answer you want

I'm not being difficult, I am genuinely interested to know what is different about an Africa spec LHD car that means it isnt type approved for an LHD EU market that it is also sold in

[marshalla]

mat777 said:

I'm not being difficult, I am genuinely interested to know what is different about an Africa spec LHD car that means it isnt type approved for an LHD EU market that it is also sold in

EU has a whole vehicle type approval regime. Vehicles built for other markets are not subject to those rules. They may be capable of passing the type approval tests, but are not necessarily certified as EU type approved if they are built for other markets. e.g. US spec. vehicles are not EU approved, Japanese spec. (RHD) vehicles are not type approved...

[mat777]

I see.

I presume it would just need an SVA like all other grey imports then?

[Magog]

This one seems to be RHD, no mention of being japanese spec and the same *** Please note, this Vehicle is for Export outside the EU Only *** caveats;

http://www.mod-sales.com/vehicle/,100,/44859/Jagua...

Maybe the op should give them a call and ask.

Edited by Magog on Wednesday 8th May 23:55

[Bushi]

Magog said:

This one seems to be RHD, no mention of being japanese spec and the same *** Please note, this Vehicle is for Export outside the EU Only *** caveats;

http://www.mod-sales.com/vehicle/,100,/44859/Jagua...

" Originally built for Africa market, "

[Magog]

Bushi said:

" Originally built for Africa market, "

oops missed that... didn't realise so many african countries drove on the right. Maybe this is a way for HMG to keep the africans sweet by subsidising their jags using the MOD budget...

[Elroy Blue]

That's what the 'aid' money gets spent on.

[107 OG]

If the OP had rung Withams he would discover that these are NOT MoD vehicles. Withams buy them from JLR as cancelled orders. I think its a side line to the main Government contract. So no taxpayers dosh spent here.

[yellowjack]

I was once told it was something to do with HMG not wanting the armoured/bullet proof cars to be available to the criminal fraternity in UK/Europe. May not be true, but it came from a former colleague who dealt a lot in ex-MOD stuff, mainly Landrovers. He once bought an 'SAS' armoured RangeRover of the type used in UK ops. When he turned up to collect it, all he trailered away was the chassis and running gear. The armoured body had been taken off to be disposed of. This was back when the IRA were a serious threat and RRs still had a separate chassis.

He was happy enough, though, as he'd only really wanted the engine and drive train. His comment when he got back... "no wonder it was so damned cheap - maybe I should read the sales description next time"

[enjo]

As mentioned, different markets have different specs. For example some markets will spec glass for the sun visor mirror as it is clearer, in the EU we worry about them slicing our faces off so use plastic.

As such cars produced for different markets may not meet EU standards, depending on the changes made. I'm not sure how this would impact on importing and what tests would be carried out though.

[Krikkit]

yellowjack said:

I was once told it was something to do with HMG not wanting the armoured/bullet proof cars to be available to the criminal fraternity in UK/Europe. May not be true, but it came from a former colleague who dealt a lot in ex-MOD stuff, mainly Landrovers. He once bought an 'SAS' armoured RangeRover of the type used in UK ops. When he turned up to collect it, all he trailered away was the chassis and running gear. The armoured body had been taken off to be disposed of. This was back when the IRA were a serious threat and RRs still had a separate chassis.

He was happy enough, though, as he'd only really wanted the engine and drive train. His comment when he got back... "no wonder it was so damned cheap - maybe I should read the sales description next time"

Could that also be because they were using some fancy composite MoD armour that can end up on tanks etc, rather than the usual stuff on publicly-available armoured cars?

[KTF]

What is the MOD doing with all these high spec , unregistered JLR brand vehicles anyway?

[Dave200]

Krikkit said:

yellowjack said:

I was once told it was something to do with HMG not wanting the armoured/bullet proof cars to be available to the criminal fraternity in UK/Europe. May not be true, but it came from a former colleague who dealt a lot in ex-MOD stuff, mainly Landrovers. He once bought an 'SAS' armoured RangeRover of the type used in UK ops. When he turned up to collect it, all he trailered away was the chassis and running gear. The armoured body had been taken off to be disposed of. This was back when the IRA were a serious threat and RRs still had a separate chassis.

He was happy enough, though, as he'd only really wanted the engine and drive train. His comment when he got back... "no wonder it was so damned cheap - maybe I should read the sales description next time"

Could that also be because they were using some fancy composite MoD armour that can end up on tanks etc, rather than the usual stuff on publicly-available armoured cars?

No.
HTH.

[107 OG]

KTF said:

What is the MOD doing with all these high spec , unregistered JLR brand vehicles anyway?

They aren't MOD, Withams buy them from JLR.