RE: Sir Stirling Moss: PH Meets
RE: Sir Stirling Moss: PH Meets
Wednesday 22nd May 2013

Sir Stirling Moss: PH Meets

An impromptu chat with Sir Stirling reveals memories of the DBR1 at the Nurburgring



“Do you want to talk to Sir Stirling?” It’s a question that only has one answer for any motor racing enthusiast: yes. 100 per cent yes, in fact. Even if, as we're guided over to the seat where one of the best-loved (well, comments about female racing drivers notwithstanding) racing drivers the world has seen is sitting, our minds are racing. What to say? What to ask? Should we mention the Cygnet? How to offer up our respect and admiration without coming across as obsequious bootlickers?

Moss confers with Bez and that 007 bloke
Moss confers with Bez and that 007 bloke
But Sir Stirling seems remarkably tolerant of questions he’s almost certainly given answers to thousands of times already. He’s ageing well, still in good spirits and beneath a tanned, crinkled brow, his crystal blue eyes still burn brightly, behind them memories of more incredible achievements and more amazing experiences than anyone else in the room can ever hope to match.

The car we’re sitting next to – the Aston Martin DBR1 that Moss has just driven in the centenaryparade lap – seems as good a point as any to start off with. How did Sir Stirling find it? “It was a great car to race, but a lousy car to drive,” he says. “It comes into its own when you’re really driving it hard. Pussying it around really isn’t its best style.” So there was no temptation to say ‘sod the 60km/h limit, let’s give it its head’, then? “No, no,” he says with a smile. “The thing I do when I drive a car like this is to try and feel how good it was, you know.” But Sir Stirling implies that there is still a desire to do so, even if he wouldn’t go through with it. “I mean I had to do a thing the other day in a C-Type Jag,” he adds, “and of course, it’s like having a beautiful girl, but she won’t go to bed with you!”

With time short, we turn our attention to the track. Was driving it again a bit of a blast from the past? Sir Stirling says so. “What I did do, I must say, was to go on the line, which was interesting for me,” he says. “As much as at any circuit in the world, there are certain corners here which make an enormous difference – the corners on the way back from Adenau have quite an incline. Of course, going at the speed we were going just now, they just didn’t exist, but I still went on the line I’d be on. But you see, when you’re racing, you’ve got so much centripetal force pushing you out.”

DBR1 great to race, but lousy to drive, says Moss
DBR1 great to race, but lousy to drive, says Moss
Those racing days are clearly still fresh in Moss’s mind – in particular the time he raced the DBR1 here in 1959. “I chose a chap called Jack Fairman to drive with. He was a good driver, not fast, but a safe driver. And I could say ‘Out of the 44, I’m just going to give you two laps’ and he was happy with that.”

It turned out to be a gruelling race, though, with a coming-together putting Fairman and Moss way down the pack. “Jack got pushed off by a small car and had to push the Aston out of a bloody ditch to get it out. I’d already taken my helmet off thinking ‘He’s not coming back’, and then suddenly they were telling me ‘He’s coming in!’ But we’d lost minutes. Then I had to go like hell, which I enjoy, because then they don’t mind if you really, you know, beat yourself.” Moss didn’t just beat himself, though – he went on to win. That must have felt pretty good, I say, but Moss isn’t one for self-celebration. “I enjoy racing as the underdog,” comes the reply. “The public always cheer on the underdog. The fact was that I happened to have lost four to five minutes, or they had been lost for me, and there I was trying to catch up. I enjoy racing with that much pressure.“

All too soon, our five minutes together are up, and Sir Stirling is whisked off, doubtless to fulfil yet more duties. And we're left with the slightly dazed feeling you get when you suddenly become aware that you’ve just been in the presence of true greatness.

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toppstuff

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13,698 posts

273 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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It is too easy I think for people to see Sir Stirling and forget just what he used to do...

Chris Harris is out in Italy right now in a Mille Miglia remembrance. A regularity rally.

Back in the day, Sir Stirling took the record for this rally with an average speed of 100mph. On narrow country lanes. In 1955. Wearing nothing more than a cotton overall and a leather helmet.

He is from an era where plenty of drivers regularly died every season. Imagine that nowadays - can you imagine the 2013 F1 season starting with the knowledge that , in all probability, some of the drivers would not make it to the end? That is the way it was in his era , but they did it anyway.

Respect, sir. Much respect.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

308 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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toppstuff said:
Respect, sir. Much respect.
+1

Terzo204

387 posts

182 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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I totally agree.

I have a picture of him in my garage.

My fiancee disklikes him greatly for what he said about female race drivers. Unfortunatly fer her, she's about to become Mrs Moss in 4 weeks! That makes me chuckle every time.

Mike

RSoovy4

35,829 posts

297 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Met him at the RAC club. A proper gentleman.

What a life he has led.


s m

24,307 posts

229 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Met him years back when he opened the Vauxhall dealership in Shrewsbury. Nice chap and very interested in Peugeot GTis ( which I turned up in at the time )

Rob175kks

169 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Absolute ledgend! I had an opportunity to meet him for a chat a few years ago but I stupidly decided to give it a miss. Although I still have no idea what i would have said to him. I'm no good in those situations.

Gorbyrev

1,171 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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What is Sir Stirling's PH username?!

Blackpuddin

19,256 posts

231 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Pal of mine was being driven along the A316 by yer man a few years back. He got off at the Feltham/Hampton exit in a somewhat cavalier fashion, carving up a Transit in the process. Transit exited at the same point. Moss's car had been slightly held up on the slip road waiting to get into the big roundabout by what is now the McDonald's. This allowed the big hairy Transit man to step out of his van, advance menacingly towards the Mossmobile and tap on the great man's window. "****ing Moss," says he, shaking his head as SM shrank down a bit in his seat. "No wonder you never won no ****ing world championships." No more words were spoken.

dinkel

27,682 posts

284 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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I met sir (then 80) in 2009, and what a legend he is! We had a 30 mins chat about Astons and Maseratis and racing classic cars: won't forget that moment.

dandarez

13,936 posts

309 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Blackpuddin said:
Pal of mine was being driven along the A316 by yer man a few years back. He got off at the Feltham/Hampton exit in a somewhat cavalier fashion, carving up a Transit in the process. Transit exited at the same point. Moss's car had been slightly held up on the slip road waiting to get into the big roundabout by what is now the McDonald's. This allowed the big hairy Transit man to step out of his van, advance menacingly towards the Mossmobile and tap on the great man's window. "****ing Moss," says he, shaking his head as SM shrank down a bit in his seat. "No wonder you never won no ****ing world championships." No more words were spoken.
hehe I love motoring and motor racing anecdotes - especially ones like this.

Stig

11,823 posts

310 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Grammar flame suit on:

"But you see, when you’re racing, you’ve got so much centripetal force pushing you out.”

Centrifugal surely as it is the result of inertia of motion? It would be the lack of centripetal force that causes it.

I'll get me coat...

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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PascalBuyens said:
toppstuff said:
Respect, sir. Much respect.
+1
When you put it like that, does make you think....+2

Blackpuddin

19,256 posts

231 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Especially with the tyre technology back then. DBR1 might have been a pig to drive but IMO is the best looking car ever made.

mikey77

707 posts

214 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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My grandson is named Stirling. The pair of them met at Goodwood a few years ago. One of my treasured photos...

Bill Ferry

64 posts

180 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Moss.. HERO.!
End of.
Enjoy him whilst we've still got him.. the falling down the lift shaft frightened the wits out of me. At his age it should have finished him.. what a warrior.
Check out the stories to his sports car racing in the 50's, his GP wins in not the most competitive cars, his Monaco GP win in the Lotus was a masterstroke.
Am I a fan.. you bet.!
For my money, he is the GREATEST living Englishman. I do not believe we will ever see his like again.. that generation is leaving us now.
I know this is often said of great personalities, but the motor-sport world has changed out of all recognition from Moss' heyday.. several drives per day, different classes, sports cars, sports racers, GP cars, small and large saloons.
I have been lucky to meet, and sometimes get to know some of the truly great drivers.. the outstanding ones were Fangio, Vic Elford and Moss.
Seven world GP titles notwithstanding.. I regard Moss as the best.. as a driver and more importantly.. as a human.. as a man.
MOSS.. the real hero
WF

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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He's pretty much the greatest living human being, in fact the greatest human being that's ever lived. Makes Gandhi look like an underachieving douchebag.



Winning the '55 Mille. The same year he was the first Briton to win the British Grand Prix. Completed the Mille in 10 hours 7 minutes - HALF AN HOUR ahead of the 2nd place car driven by...Fangio!

He singlehandedly makes up for and negates everything that's crap about Britain.



Not just for his achievements but for being such a nice guy and so impossibly cool to boot.

From Wiki:
This sporting attitude cost him the 1958 Formula 1 World Championship. When rival Mike Hawthorn was threatened with a penalty in the Boavista Urban Circuit in Porto, Portugal, Moss defended Hawthorn's actions. Hawthorn was accused of reversing in the track after spinning and stalling his car on an uphill section of the track. Moss himself shouted the suggestion to Hawthorn that he steer downhill, against traffic, to bump-start the car, which Hawthorn did. Moss's quick thinking and then gracious defence of Hawthorn before the stewards preserved Hawthorn's 6 points for his second-place finish (behind Moss). Hawthorn went on to beat Moss for the title by one point even though he won only one race that year to Moss's four, making Hawthorn Britain's first World Champion.



I love this:
For many years during and after his career, the rhetorical phrase "Who do you think you are, Stirling Moss?" was supposedly the standard question all British policemen asked speeding motorists. Moss relates he himself was once stopped for speeding and asked just that; he reports the traffic officer had some difficulty believing him.

SpudLink

7,858 posts

218 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Bill Ferry said:
Moss.. HERO.!
End of.
Enjoy him whilst we've still got him.. the falling down the lift shaft frightened the wits out of me. At his age it should have finished him.. what a warrior.
Check out the stories to his sports car racing in the 50's, his GP wins in not the most competitive cars, his Monaco GP win in the Lotus was a masterstroke.
Am I a fan.. you bet.!
For my money, he is the GREATEST living Englishman. I do not believe we will ever see his like again.. that generation is leaving us now.
I know this is often said of great personalities, but the motor-sport world has changed out of all recognition from Moss' heyday.. several drives per day, different classes, sports cars, sports racers, GP cars, small and large saloons.
I have been lucky to meet, and sometimes get to know some of the truly great drivers.. the outstanding ones were Fangio, Vic Elford and Moss.
Seven world GP titles notwithstanding.. I regard Moss as the best.. as a driver and more importantly.. as a human.. as a man.
MOSS.. the real hero
WF
We're lucky to have missed 2 World Wars, but the generation that lived through one or both had some truly great men. Sir Sterling is in the top rank.

I knew a chap that worked for him in the 80's, and he was scarred witless more than once by SM's driving. smile

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

291 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Stig said:
GrammarScience flame suit on:

"But you see, when you’re racing, you’ve got so much centripetal force pushing you out.”

Centrifugal surely as it is the result of inertia of motion? It would be the lack of centripetal force that causes it.

I'll get me coat...

canucklehead

416 posts

172 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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in today's era of cheap celebrity and so-called heroes with feet of clay and an eye on the main chance (hey Seb I'm looking at you), it's nice to be reminded that Stirling Moss is the Real Deal.

would that we had more like him.


iva cosworth

44,044 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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toppstuff said:
Chris Harris is out in Italy right now in a Mille Miglia remembrance. A regularity rally.
Errrm,finished last weekend unless CH is swinging the lead on a jolly...scratchchin