Police admit they're 'stumped' by mystery car thefts
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An electronic skeleton key to open cars?
http://www.today.com/news/police-admit-theyre-stum...
Sorry if this has already been posted, I searched and couldn't find it.
Mini tesla coil?
http://hackaday.com/2013/06/09/ask-hackaday-can-yo...
http://www.today.com/news/police-admit-theyre-stum...
Sorry if this has already been posted, I searched and couldn't find it.
Mini tesla coil?
http://hackaday.com/2013/06/09/ask-hackaday-can-yo...
Edited by MelonMan on Sunday 9th June 20:08
I created a topic about this video last year - from 4:40 it talks about just how much of your car can be hacked. Not a single person was interested*. The BMW issue was just the tip of the iceberg.
*But like Murphys, I'm not bitter
*But like Murphys, I'm not bitter
Ya don't think possibly theres someone on the inside at the dealerships - customer comes in lost one set of keys/remote fob and magically some dodgy geezer in the dealership makes a third key/fob for the gang when he makes the customers replacement..? Geezer then tells gang the home address lol.
xRIEx said:
I created a topic about this video last year - from 4:40 it talks about just how much of your car can be hacked. Not a single person was interested*. The BMW issue was just the tip of the iceberg.
*But like Murphys, I'm not bitter
Interesting and quite scarey video!*But like Murphys, I'm not bitter
xRIEx said:
I created a topic about this video last year - from 4:40 it talks about just how much of your car can be hacked. Not a single person was interested*. The BMW issue was just the tip of the iceberg.
The 1337 hacker there was doing stuff once access was gained to the car, and devices added into the system.He's getting his knickers in a twist over the same things that have been possible for the last 30 years or more.
Stuff like that has always been possible, you'd don't even need to know much about electronics to do that.
Not sure if im upto date with tracking but ive watched the TV cop interceptor/road wars shows and when an expensive car is nicked and it has a tracker the cops have to stop. fit a triangulation antenna to the roof which guides them (hopefully) to the car - if they are close enough to pick up a signal transmitted by the stolen car
does anyone offer a proper satellite gps tracking service for cars like haulage fleets use?
does anyone offer a proper satellite gps tracking service for cars like haulage fleets use?
TheEnd said:
xRIEx said:
I created a topic about this video last year - from 4:40 it talks about just how much of your car can be hacked. Not a single person was interested*. The BMW issue was just the tip of the iceberg.
The 1337 hacker there was doing stuff once access was gained to the car, and devices added into the system.He's getting his knickers in a twist over the same things that have been possible for the last 30 years or more.
Stuff like that has always been possible, you'd don't even need to know much about electronics to do that.
Considering you have to install an extra internal CAN device which will intercept and change the signals, it's no different to installing any electrical devices.
It's like saying the Kremlin can spy on any UK household and record movements, speech, even read emails, but they need to break in first and install some bugs.
CAN is a data network, where info is passed about like posting messages on a thread called "what my car is doing, lol"
The Engine ECU will post up the engine speeds and throttle positions, the ABS/Stability will post road speed, the autogearbox will read those and deiced what to do and post the current gear which is read by the instrument cluster, the wipers and radio will be reading the road speed and adjusting volume etc...
Whilst you can be clever and install a CAN device that will do things like intercept the data and post false data, there's been an old mechanical way of doing it for years.
Take the car showing 20mph less than reality, you could buy speedo recalibraters year ago which were for scaling the km/h reading on Jap imports down to MPH levels, all it needs to do is take the input frequency from the speedo pulse, and and output a frequency about 40% lower.
Install one of them on a relay and you've got the same thing.
It's like saying the Kremlin can spy on any UK household and record movements, speech, even read emails, but they need to break in first and install some bugs.
CAN is a data network, where info is passed about like posting messages on a thread called "what my car is doing, lol"
The Engine ECU will post up the engine speeds and throttle positions, the ABS/Stability will post road speed, the autogearbox will read those and deiced what to do and post the current gear which is read by the instrument cluster, the wipers and radio will be reading the road speed and adjusting volume etc...
Whilst you can be clever and install a CAN device that will do things like intercept the data and post false data, there's been an old mechanical way of doing it for years.
Take the car showing 20mph less than reality, you could buy speedo recalibraters year ago which were for scaling the km/h reading on Jap imports down to MPH levels, all it needs to do is take the input frequency from the speedo pulse, and and output a frequency about 40% lower.
Install one of them on a relay and you've got the same thing.
TheEnd said:
Considering you have to install an extra internal CAN device which will intercept and change the signals, it's no different to installing any electrical devices.
From what I understood, an attacker doesn't have to install any extra devices - at 5:40 he says the researchers had two areas they could attack: wired & short-range wireless, and lon-range wireless; two separate areas, not that they could only attack wirelessly after attacking the wired.7:06 - threat model of contacting in real time over a wireless network such as mobile phone signal never having got physical access to the car.
dublove said:
Ya don't think possibly theres someone on the inside at the dealerships - customer comes in lost one set of keys/remote fob and magically some dodgy geezer in the dealership makes a third key/fob for the gang when he makes the customers replacement..? Geezer then tells gang the home address lol.
Someone's been watching Gone In 60 Seconds a bit too much! Upatdawn said:
Not sure if im upto date with tracking but ive watched the TV cop interceptor/road wars shows and when an expensive car is nicked and it has a tracker the cops have to stop. fit a triangulation antenna to the roof which guides them (hopefully) to the car - if they are close enough to pick up a signal transmitted by the stolen car
does anyone offer a proper satellite gps tracking service for cars like haulage fleets use?
There is the capability out there. For the 2012 Olympics a US broadcaster required about 300 vehicles. They tracked about a third of them, which was enough to act as a disincentive for the drivers of the other 200 who didn't know if they were being tracked or not. Despite this, someone attempted to V Max a 320d.does anyone offer a proper satellite gps tracking service for cars like haulage fleets use?
TheEnd said:
He manages to completely miss out any info on the complete "never touched" idea, and only mentions some highlights of the method with previous access.
8:14, the slide states they managed to compromise various control computers over the mobile phone network, and at 8:24 he states they could do this on available-to-buy cars over the radio network.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff