RE: CSL development team: PH Meets
RE: CSL development team: PH Meets
Friday 14th June 2013

CSL development team: PH Meets

PH talks carbon roofs, cardboard floors and more with the engineers who built the M3 CSL



Carbon fibre on road cars is commonplace now, but even 10 years ago it was an expensive, rarefied material reserved only for the top echelons of motorsport and ridiculous million pound hypercars. The E46 M3 CSL changed that.

Carbon's everywhere now but the CSL was a pioneer
Carbon's everywhere now but the CSL was a pioneer
Far from being a bolt-on special, BMW’s M Division engineers employed a considered analysis of using composite materials to turn the regular E46 M3 into the CSL, warranting the addition of that iconic boot badge. But what exactly was the motive behind the decision to make an M3 CSL back in 2003?

According to Hans-Bruno Starke – the engineer behind the CSL’s lightweight body and trim parts – “the time was right. The E36 M3 was watched very closely internally by BMW. Everyone looked at its sportiness and it was the danger that the car would become too sporty. The idea was to be more withdrawn politically, and we knew M3 owners would be sad at that. But things changed and that’s why we were so inspired when it came to the E46 CSL, we were allowed to differentiate it more from the standard car – make the wheel arches wider, the chassis more extreme and use carbon fibre parts.”

With the development team given the green light to make the M3 more hardcore, were there certain parameters the CSL had to hit? Yes, and Starke outlines the development goals thus.

BMW wanted the M3 less extreme ... oops!
BMW wanted the M3 less extreme ... oops!
“We just said ‘let’s make it as light as we can’. We wanted to have an optimal car in terms of aerodynamics and performance, but it still had to be functional on the road. We did have one target though – we wanted it to go round the Nurburgring in under eight minutes, so we had some options. You can either increase the performance, or you can reduce weight. But you can also increase the performance through the tyres, too.

“The CSL is a mix of everything. We worked on the aero and chassis design and designed a specific tyre combination. We also employed lightweight design – that’s what we realised with this car. We were able to design parts that had only been in the pipeline in BMW as pre-development items. They made the jump onto the road from the experimental stage.”

So the CSL was effectively a running, working prototype for future BMWs then?

Carbon on the body, and under it too
Carbon on the body, and under it too
Starke elaborates. “Yes, yes it was. Like the carbon fibre roof – there had been pre-development project from BMW before elsewhere in the group, and we utilised this existing development for the roof. With that we were able to realise the roof as the first series carbon component and roll it out onto later M cars. It’s a small part of what we call the BMW i philosophy today.”

Composite materials aren’t cheap now, let alone over a decade ago when the car was in development. BMW knew this, hence dipping its toe in the carbon fibre pool with the CSL before making the materials available on more standard M cars.

“There was always a desire to use it [carbon fibre] on other cars. After the project started we proposed these components and the first use had the highest costs – that was the CSL. But once you develop and refine the processes, you find competitive edges when it comes to price, so you can manage to stop the technology costing so much.”

You'll not be wanting to replace that bumper...
You'll not be wanting to replace that bumper...
So that’s why the CSL cost around £60,000 when it came out… But it truly was an innovative car in terms of its construction. No production vehicle built in similar numbers before it (officially 1,383 were made, with “a few more tucked away”, according to Starke) used the material as widely.

“The roof was the first industrial application of carbon fibre and saved around 7kg, lowering the centre of gravity, too. The front bumper is actually a racing car component. It’s a carbon fibre shell that doesn’t use the plastic or aluminium carrier structure of the standard M3. It costs around 4,000 euros.

“The rear window is a thinner pane of glass, but we kept that material to retain refinement. The total weight saving was 110kg [dropping the kerb weight to 1,385kg] and we must have taken around 50kg out of the interior – the door panels and centre console are carbon and the seats save around 25kg.” Looking at the original press pictures of the CSL [pictured] we can see just how lightweight it is.

Lighter wheels and stickier tyres part of the package
Lighter wheels and stickier tyres part of the package
“Actually, we discussed scrapping the rear bench seat completely to make it a two-seater and save more weight, but sales insisted on having a four-seater,” adds Starke.

And the infamous ‘cardboard’ boot floor?

“That was a joke. Did they think it was real? We do have a paper composite used at the bottom of the boot, but that’s the only cardboard I know of…”

The lightweight body and trim parts complimented the chassis. According to Peter Schmidt – the man behind the CSL’s chassis – the wheels are 2kg lighter than the 19-inch E46 M3 wheels, while the lower suspension control arms at the rear are in aluminium.

Without provocation Starke earlier touched on something with modern day relevance – the tie in with BMW’s i sub-brand and its carbon fibre constructed cars. The modern quest for ever more efficient vehicles is being achieved by downsized, forced induction motors and lightweight materials, so will lessons learnt from the CSL onwards and technology and processes from the i cars be utilised in future M products?

Evocative badge, still held dear by M engineers
Evocative badge, still held dear by M engineers
“Definitely. Absolutely. With the CSL we called the philosophy ‘intelligent lightweight’ [the same as BMW calls it today] so we don’t need to reinvent the planet completely. Just like the CSL’s roof, the process can be done vice-versa.” There’s great potential, then, that lightweight instrument carriers and carbon fibre panels could feature on a special version of the M4.

With the CSL, the lightweight engineering worked, and the M Division boffins achieved their goal. The car lapped the ’ring in 7min50sec. “It’s one of the most emotional M cars of the past,” believes Starke.

For the full transcript of Sean's chat with Hans-Bruno Starke click here.


BMW's released a short video about the 10th anniversary trip to Munich that PH joined - see here.

 

 

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Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

201 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Awesome car - BMW's 964RS/993RS? 2200 964Rs's produced and 1200 of the 993RS. Limited edition classics.

g3org3y

22,492 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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One of my all time favourite BMWs. cool

The way they designed the boot spoiler (and differentiated it from the ordinary model) is very elegant. Lovely design.

Suppose looking back, that 60k price tag doesn't look too outrageous.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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The more I read on the CSL, the more I realise how special it is. I remember thinking at the time it was interesting, but special bumpers, re-worked aero etc. It's a legend.

DodoRacing

539 posts

237 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Fantastic. As a previous owner and a huge fan, I've read a lot about the CSL and collected material describing the technology behind it. But, I've never come across an interview with the engineers behind it. Thanks a lot for sharing it here. I've learned some little but interesting facts.

Baryonyx

18,287 posts

189 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Krikkit said:
The more I read on the CSL, the more I realise how special it is. I remember thinking at the time it was interesting, but special bumpers, re-worked aero etc. It's a legend.
Indeed. I think as time goes on, it looks better and better. As every car moves towards dull, homogeneous designs, this stands out as something very cool. It's a product of it's time too, characterful and interesting. I love it. Even though it should have had a manual option as well!

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Thinking about it, for the £30k a good CSL costs, you could almost get a decent Batmobile E9 CSL for that... Tricky choice!

Edited by Krikkit on Friday 14th June 14:35

DodoRacing

539 posts

237 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Here is one relatively unknown innovation "BASF Ultratect foam" used in the rear seat that is not mentioned in the article.

http://www.basf.de/basf2/html/plastics/englisch/pa...

P.S. I've taken out the rear seat (made by Lear) several times (to carry cup tires to the Ring) and you wouldn't believe how light it was. Believe me, it would not make any noticeable weight difference if it was removed completely.

Edited by DodoRacing on Friday 14th June 14:30

bodhi

14,637 posts

259 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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If my numbers were to come up tonight my first task after collecting the winnings would be to search out one of these. Just about everything about them is perfect in my view - the looks, the performance, the handling, and of course, that noise. Fairly certain I could even cope with the gearbox.

Only negative in my view was that they weren't available in Laguna Seca Blue, however I'm sure a respray could sort that out. I would probably get shunned by the rest of the CSL community but what can I say? I like LSB....

PPPPPP

1,140 posts

261 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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bodhi said:
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Only negative in my view was that they weren't available in Laguna Seca Blue, however I'm sure a respray could sort that out. I would probably get shunned by the rest of the CSL community but what can I say? I like LSB....
This looks OK smile

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

226 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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i do quite often regret selling mine as i know it's going to become a true future classic.

but it was the car that reinforced my love of the maual gearbox so i can thank it for that smile

0836whimper

983 posts

228 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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You'll not be wanting to replace a carbon door card either...the price is beyond eye-watering...

JEA1K

2,747 posts

253 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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It was always destined to be a future classic after the less than warm reviews it received after the launch and for quite some time afterwards. A '£60k 3 series' was a bit too far for some in 2003 ... now 10 years later, the base M3 will be that sort of price I expect on its launch.

After I first experienced THAT induction noise, I knew I had to have one and it was a pleasure to own. Was great fun on road and on track ... I even dared to do a trackday at Donnington on a set of 18" slicks which proved great fun but long term would have ensured that most of the bushes were shot!

Although the game has moved on, its still a great package, although I wouldn't like to run one every day like I did back then. They are relatively fragile and as above, you don't really want to be damaging any of those expensive carbon bits.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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bodhi said:
If my numbers were to come up tonight my first task after collecting the winnings would be to search out one of these. Just about everything about them is perfect in my view - the looks, the performance, the handling, and of course, that noise. Fairly certain I could even cope with the gearbox.

Only negative in my view was that they weren't available in Laguna Seca Blue, however I'm sure a respray could sort that out. I would probably get shunned by the rest of the CSL community but what can I say? I like LSB....
If you've got a lottery win to hand, surely a manual M3 box could be purchased and persuaded to work by a specialist? Agreed though, one of these would be close to the top of my shopping list.

Cheib

25,395 posts

205 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Krikkit said:
Thinking about it, for the £30k a good CSL costs, you could almost get a decent Batmobile E9 CSL for that... Tricky choice!

Edited by Krikkit on Friday 14th June 14:35
Can you get a decent E9 CSL for that?!?!

Agree though tricky choice.

Had a regualr E46 M3 when these were launched and very nearly ordered one. Have never scratched the itch and would love to own one as along term keeper, iconic car for both the looks and sound and will never be repeated.

Leins

10,466 posts

178 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Nice feature Sean

But folks, can we please give up on the gearbox opinions, it's been done to death at this stage? CSL = SMGII, end of

Regarding colour, not sure about LSB, but I'd quite like a Mora or Techno one actually

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

201 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Leins said:
Nice feature Sean

But folks, can we please give up on the gearbox opinions, it's been done to death at this stage? CSL = SMGII, end of
+ 1.

artdealer

261 posts

243 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
i do quite often regret selling mine as i know it's going to become a true future classic.

but it was the car that reinforced my love of the maual gearbox so i can thank it for that smile
I regret selling it too!

It was only the owners that nudged me towards trading it. Wonder if it's been sold on much since?

Plus I had another normal M3 with a 'CSL" front bumper and steering wheel. No idea those bumpers were so expensive.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Cheib said:
Can you get a decent E9 CSL for that?!?!

Agree though tricky choice.
There's a couple about, this one at £35k with extensive recent work and a batmobile replica kit (now sold):


And a couple at 4* classics for £35k-ish as well.

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

193 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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PPPPPP said:
bodhi said:
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Only negative in my view was that they weren't available in Laguna Seca Blue, however I'm sure a respray could sort that out. I would probably get shunned by the rest of the CSL community but what can I say? I like LSB....
This looks OK smile
I've never understood this picture, anyone explain?

myhandle

1,297 posts

204 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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It means that the CSL can outrun an Actros, 924 and Mondial 8.