Hard shoulder to be scrapped
Discussion
welaye said:
It's in Autoexpress, so it'll be b
ksIt's already in operation on the M42 and M6....and it's a nightmare.
The amount of people that ignore the red X when there is an obstruction is unbelievable. There's nowhere for emergency services to operate and when there is an RTC, we are basically screwed. It's a cheap alternative to doing the job properly.
The amount of people that ignore the red X when there is an obstruction is unbelievable. There's nowhere for emergency services to operate and when there is an RTC, we are basically screwed. It's a cheap alternative to doing the job properly.
Elroy Blue said:
It's already in operation on the M42 and M6....and it's a nightmare.
The amount of people that ignore the red X when there is an obstruction is unbelievable. There's nowhere for emergency services to operate and when there is an RTC, we are basically screwed. It's a cheap alternative to doing the job properly.
Interesting, I use the M42 a lot at rush hour and when the red X is lit I have never seen anyone drive down the hard shoulder. The amount of people that ignore the red X when there is an obstruction is unbelievable. There's nowhere for emergency services to operate and when there is an RTC, we are basically screwed. It's a cheap alternative to doing the job properly.
I can see how the problem occurs when all 4 lanes are full and there is an RTC, in m,y experience low and medium, speed RTC's are pretty common on the variable speed part of the M42, but there are fewer than there were before the variable.
blueg33 said:
Interesting, I use the M42 a lot at rush hour and when the red X is lit I have never seen anyone drive down the hard shoulder.
I can see how the problem occurs when all 4 lanes are full and there is an RTC, in m,y experience low and medium, speed RTC's are pretty common on the variable speed part of the M42, but there are fewer than there were before the variable.
I work on that stretch every day. There are HUNDREDS that do it. (We tried to count once and had to give up). There are also plenty of RTCs. It just means they are now in a more precarious place then they once were. The theory might be sound, the practice is far from it.I can see how the problem occurs when all 4 lanes are full and there is an RTC, in m,y experience low and medium, speed RTC's are pretty common on the variable speed part of the M42, but there are fewer than there were before the variable.
CampDavid said:
welaye said:
It's in Autoexpress, so it'll be bks
In Oz they have 5 lane roads with with no central reservation, 3 lanes open going toward the city in the morning rush hour and then 3 coming out of the city in the evening rush hour. Only thing that stops the carnage is a red x above the lanes not being used if you are going against the rush hour traffic.
TX.
TX.
Elroy Blue said:
I work on that stretch every day. There are HUNDREDS that do it. (We tried to count once and had to give up). There are also plenty of RTCs. It just means they are now in a more precarious place then they once were. The theory might be sound, the practice is far from it.
Fair enough - legislating against muppets is never easy, but making it easier for them to be muppets is madnessTerminator X said:
In Oz they have 5 lane roads with with no central reservation, 3 lanes open going toward the city in the morning rush hour and then 3 coming out of the city in the evening rush hour. Only thing that stops the carnage is a red x above the lanes not being used if you are going against the rush hour traffic.
TX.
If they tried to implement that here in Ireland the population would be halved in a week TX.
gazchap said:
They do it on the A38 Aston Expressway into/out of Birmingham city centre, I think?
They do, and I recall a short stretch of something similar in Lincoln I think.Wouldn't work at motorway speeds though; an out-of-control vehicle flying over into oncoming traffic doing 70 would be carnage.
joewilliams said:
gazchap said:
They do it on the A38 Aston Expressway into/out of Birmingham city centre, I think?
They do, and I recall a short stretch of something similar in Lincoln I think.http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=aston+cardiff&...
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