New traffic rules £100 on the spot fines start r today
Discussion
With the new legislation coming into force today, does anyone have any comments on how this is going to work in practice? Where will the police be when both observing and enforcing this legislation?
What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
Loads more than just the much heralded Middle Lane Hoggers - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
"Neglect of traffic directions" (e.g. not stopping at red traffic light) ....as copied.... is a fave moan of mine... especially as a local crossing user on an electric buggy crossed on green and was punted over by a car jumping a red light grrr
as is....... "Neglect of traffic regulations" (e.g. failing to conform to traffic signs – give way, roundabout,vehicle priority, box junction road markings)
"Neglect of traffic directions" (e.g. not stopping at red traffic light) ....as copied.... is a fave moan of mine... especially as a local crossing user on an electric buggy crossed on green and was punted over by a car jumping a red light grrr
as is....... "Neglect of traffic regulations" (e.g. failing to conform to traffic signs – give way, roundabout,vehicle priority, box junction road markings)
Edited by lescombes on Friday 16th August 08:11
As you say speeding is relatively easy to enforce, but tailgating I would say is much more open to various scenarios / interpretations. I am surprised how many people I still see using hand held phones
when hands free otions are so plentiful and relatively cheap, But whilst you cannot use a hand held mobile whilst driving (or even eat a Mars bar!) It is still ok to take a fag out of a packet, and then light it, and have a lighted object in your hand or gob (How many have seen cars with cigarette burns on the seats?) whilst driving, Its a funny old world we live in.
If the government had made not giving adequate traffic signals a fine able offence, they could have cut accidents between all road users including pedestrians at a stroke, but the did not
when hands free otions are so plentiful and relatively cheap, But whilst you cannot use a hand held mobile whilst driving (or even eat a Mars bar!) It is still ok to take a fag out of a packet, and then light it, and have a lighted object in your hand or gob (How many have seen cars with cigarette burns on the seats?) whilst driving, Its a funny old world we live in.
If the government had made not giving adequate traffic signals a fine able offence, they could have cut accidents between all road users including pedestrians at a stroke, but the did not
Looking at http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2012-11-08... there seems to be a drop of Motorway Offences since this Government got in, over the last Government... now being a conspiracy theorist I have to wonder if the "Middle Lane" tactic is to bump up the list of Motoring Law enforcement for 2015 electioneering....
How will they enforce the rule regarding middle lane hoggers, this will need to be observed over a certain distance to see if the driver in question is actually doing it. There are also situations where some roads run along side eachother, so that a driver who `was' travelling slower in the nearside lane of the road they were on then find themselves in the `middle' lane of the road where two run alongside eachother. Just be a nice old mucking fuddle enforcing this legislation anything like fairly.
peter pan said:
With the new legislation coming into force today, does anyone have any comments on how this is going to work in practice? Where will the police be when both observing and enforcing this legislation?
What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
I just hope the police use the M62. Yesterday on the way from Manchester to Bradford at 2pm (not in heavy traffic) I actually counted more than 20 cars/vans that could have been in the inside lane but decided it was easier in the middles lane.What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
Also had a guy who tailgated me like hell to get past in the outside lane so I mvoed over then the fecker slowed down to 60 and held eveyone else up.
The times I see women who `appear' to be only just capable of driving a vehicle, but who nevertheless have the customary fag perched on theit fingers whilst trying to hold the steering wheel. They may be using the fag to calm their nerves, But I seriously doubt that the fag actually `increases' road safety where they are concerned. and yet the government seem happy to penalise less dangerous practices which might take place behind the wheel?? Like i said, a funny old world.
ikarl said:
3,500 traffic police patrol the motorways between England, Scotland and Wales.... how enforcable are these rules when there are very few Police officers to deal with them?
So, as you were!
Where are they then - I really can't recall the last time I saw a patrol car on a motorway other than on its way to an emergency.So, as you were!
kers (delete as appropriate) started patroling the motorways, I rarely see a police car on them now.tezzer said:
£200 Endorsable Fixed Penalty Notice Offence - Driving without third part insurance
Whats "third part" insurance ? Copy reader needs a slap !
You have to worry about how they intend to enforce these laws when they can't even write them down properly.Whats "third part" insurance ? Copy reader needs a slap !
Unless I have to buy "Third Part" insurance prior to driving home later
Bonefish Blues said:
ikarl said:
3,500 traffic police patrol the motorways between England, Scotland and Wales.... how enforcable are these rules when there are very few Police officers to deal with them?
So, as you were!
Where are they then - I really can't recall the last time I saw a patrol car on a motorway other than on its way to an emergency.So, as you were!
3,500 is pitifully low considering the amount of miles of motorway we have
•Driving too close to the vehicle in front
•Failing to give way at a junction (not requiring evasive action by another driver)
•Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic
•Being in the wrong lane and pushing into a queue on a roundabout
•Lane discipline, such as needlessly hogging the middle or outside lanes
•Inappropriate speed
•Wheel-spins, handbrake turns and other careless manoeuvres
Now, above is the list of most prevalent triggers. Not the exhaustive list.
What strikes me is that while some are obvious, the majority need quantifying or defining.
As there is almost no data to be found on the quantification or definition of these new criteria one has to be very wary that this is hugely open to abuse as a simple taxation system.
In addition to this I am interested as to whether these fines can be imposed through electronic medium such as road side camera network? Or far more interestingly, third party video evidence.
The latter is extremely interesting when you think that a video of someone donutting on a public highway is arguably irrefutable evidence.
Imagine then the next step of monetizing that evidence stream?
•Failing to give way at a junction (not requiring evasive action by another driver)
•Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic
•Being in the wrong lane and pushing into a queue on a roundabout
•Lane discipline, such as needlessly hogging the middle or outside lanes
•Inappropriate speed
•Wheel-spins, handbrake turns and other careless manoeuvres
Now, above is the list of most prevalent triggers. Not the exhaustive list.
What strikes me is that while some are obvious, the majority need quantifying or defining.
As there is almost no data to be found on the quantification or definition of these new criteria one has to be very wary that this is hugely open to abuse as a simple taxation system.
In addition to this I am interested as to whether these fines can be imposed through electronic medium such as road side camera network? Or far more interestingly, third party video evidence.
The latter is extremely interesting when you think that a video of someone donutting on a public highway is arguably irrefutable evidence.
Imagine then the next step of monetizing that evidence stream?
peter pan said:
With the new legislation coming into force today, does anyone have any comments on how this is going to work in practice? Where will the police be when both observing and enforcing this legislation?
What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
I wouldn't overly worry if it were me. As it'll need to be enforced by cars (to hand out the on-the-spot fine) it'll be judged by real police rather than speed cameras. In your example if some knob wedges himself in between you and the car in front you'll initially be ok. If you maintain the distance you had to the car you were originally following you're probably on shakey ground but if you're seen to back off even a little you'll be fine. I'd be more worried if I was the person who wedged himself in tbh - and rightly so.What happens when you are driving with a reasonable distance between you and the vehicle in front, and some t*sser decides they are going to slot in between you and the vehicle in front to access a an upcoming slip road etc All the police will see, is you, right up the backside of the `poor' motorist in front, and that will be £100 and 3 points on YOUR licence thank you!
How will they enforce this?
Likewise the MLM judgement will be by real police too. It won't be frequent enough but a few whinges about being stung for lane hogging will spread the word amongst all the morons. The police can tell the difference between someone who just can't be arsed to move over and someone selecting a lane before a split in the motorway, so I wouldn't worry about that either.
A lot of time the police use bridges as motorway monitoring points on roads where elevated police standing positions do not exist. All they will see on their side of the bridge, is you right up the a*se of the vehicle which has just slotted itself into the gap in front of you. So for them, it will just be a quick blast down the slip road, pull YOU over, £100 on the spot fine and 3 points on YOUR licence, whilst the car that wedged itself in front of you sails happily on its way.
The MLM enforcement will be very easy to achieve on the M25 after 9-10PM. They're ten a penny. I wonder how many fines a traffic cop could hand out in one shift on the M25
I was on M25 the other night and the driving standards where shocking. Worst case was they where putting out cones to get the lanes down to one. The gantries showed what they where doing for a couple of miles. I came across someone showing perfect MLM skills, I could see the lorry putting out the cones a mile off, so was in the correct lane. I started flashing to let the MLM into the lane I was in as we approched the lorry. But they decided to slam there brakes on stop and put there indercator on. To make it even more moronic they started flashing the car that was behind me. For I guess not letting them out.
I was on M25 the other night and the driving standards where shocking. Worst case was they where putting out cones to get the lanes down to one. The gantries showed what they where doing for a couple of miles. I came across someone showing perfect MLM skills, I could see the lorry putting out the cones a mile off, so was in the correct lane. I started flashing to let the MLM into the lane I was in as we approched the lorry. But they decided to slam there brakes on stop and put there indercator on. To make it even more moronic they started flashing the car that was behind me. For I guess not letting them out.
jamieduff1981 said:
I wouldn't overly worry if it were me. As it'll need to be enforced by cars (to hand out the on-the-spot fine) it'll be judged by real police rather than speed cameras. In your example if some knob wedges himself in between you and the car in front you'll initially be ok. If you maintain the distance you had to the car you were originally following you're probably on shakey ground but if you're seen to back off even a little you'll be fine. I'd be more worried if I was the person who wedged himself in tbh - and rightly so.
Likewise the MLM judgement will be by real police too. It won't be frequent enough but a few whinges about being stung for lane hogging will spread the word amongst all the morons. The police can tell the difference between someone who just can't be arsed to move over and someone selecting a lane before a split in the motorway, so I wouldn't worry about that either.
Just south of J5 of the M1 each day there is a Highway Officer holding a speed gun. Likewise the MLM judgement will be by real police too. It won't be frequent enough but a few whinges about being stung for lane hogging will spread the word amongst all the morons. The police can tell the difference between someone who just can't be arsed to move over and someone selecting a lane before a split in the motorway, so I wouldn't worry about that either.
In Gloscestershire the Police camera vans are operated by contractors.
I'm not convinced that the collection and supply of evidence needs to be done by a police officer. It may need to be verified and sanctioned by one but not collected?
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