Rentals: why not autos as standard
Rentals: why not autos as standard
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peatmoor

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196 posts

176 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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I rented an Opel Astra estate overseas recently and they gave me an auto when I'd asked for a manual.

Sure no problem in fact I preferred it as it was all city driving, it's a boring box why need a manual. Of course ask me to pay more for one and I will decline thanks very much.

It got me thinking though, why don't rental companies give you an auto as standard? No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto, but even in the short time companies keep their cars I'm pretty sure a number of clutches or even boxes have required replacement.

Anyway just a thought, but I'm sure it comes down to cost/benefit or supply/demand.

Any insight?

Side thought, it was a petrol 1.4 turbo which was fine for its needs but I couldn't get over how much it sounded like a diesel. So much so I had to double check the agreement when I filled up because I suddenly panicked that I'd misheard. Same thing on a VW tiguan 1.4t that I rented. Anyone else think this?

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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I'd imagine resale is a factor. Not as easy to sell on.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

286 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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peatmoor said:
No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto,
So shifting it into reverse or park at 70mph will cause no damage? smile

I'd be quite upset if I had to pay extra for a manual to be honest, I hate autos.

peatmoor

Original Poster:

196 posts

176 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
So shifting it into reverse or park at 70mph will cause no damage? smile
Well there is that I suppose!!

xRIEx

8,180 posts

179 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
peatmoor said:
No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto,
So shifting it into reverse or park at 70mph will cause no damage? smile
Don't the boxes have any measures to prevent that from happening? A bit st if they don't.

tim0409

5,980 posts

190 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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As mentioned it is resale value. Hire companies turn over a lot of cars and the market simply could not cope as there would be a massive oversupply.

crolandc

290 posts

227 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Would imagine there would be a lot of rear end shunts as peeps not used to autos go for the clutch!!

Howard-

4,964 posts

233 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Because how are you supposed to do clutchless powershifting in an auto?!

Krikkit

27,941 posts

212 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Not just resale value, but an auto is usually more expensive to begin with - some ranges you have to buy a much higher specification for an auto box too.

creampuff

6,511 posts

174 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Howard- said:
Because how are you supposed to do clutchless powershifting in an auto?!
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Morningside

24,147 posts

260 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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xRIEx said:
Mr2Mike said:
peatmoor said:
No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto,
So shifting it into reverse or park at 70mph will cause no damage? smile
Don't the boxes have any measures to prevent that from happening? A bit st if they don't.
Did that in my Rover SD1 by accident. Huge black tyre marks left on the road, put it into neutral, restarted the car put in drive and carried on.


At one time automatics were more to insure. I wonder if that is still the case.

Atrevetetete

320 posts

161 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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It's expensive enough to rent a car, let alone adding significant extra fuel costs by forcing people to have something the majority of people dislike!

I drive a lot of automatics as part of my job, and the variation in quality between gearboxes is incredible, and far worse (in standard cars) than manuals.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Morningside said:
xRIEx said:
Mr2Mike said:
peatmoor said:
No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto,
So shifting it into reverse or park at 70mph will cause no damage? smile
Don't the boxes have any measures to prevent that from happening? A bit st if they don't.
Did that in my Rover SD1 by accident. Huge black tyre marks left on the road, put it into neutral, restarted the car put in drive and carried on.


At one time automatics were more to insure. I wonder if that is still the case.
Modern autos won't do that anymore. If you try do something so 'daft' it will ignore you and stay in D.

peatmoor

Original Poster:

196 posts

176 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Atrevetetete said:
It's expensive enough to rent a car, let alone adding significant extra fuel costs by forcing people to have something the majority of people dislike!

I drive a lot of automatics as part of my job, and the variation in quality between gearboxes is incredible, and far worse (in standard cars) than manuals.
Fair point I suppose for my purposes an auto in a dull car particularly on dull roads makes no difference to me sometimes even an advantage in that I have; one less thing to worry about in a strange car and on strange roads.

callmedave

2,686 posts

176 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Id say its down to re-sale value of the car.

the rental cost out weighs the depreciation of the car so when its time to sell they have made a profit.

Autos dont sell too well.

DKS

1,928 posts

215 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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I used to have somewhere around 8-10 hire cars a year for a weeks work at a time and I got an Insignia SRi/ Elite auto diesels about 3 times in a row. What a superb car. 40MPG overall and the box was matched perfectly to the narrowish powerband. I also liked the way D was at the bottom of the selector, so switch on, lever all the way down, off you go (also the only time the elec. handbrake made sense, too). For escorting purposes it was spot on.
Had a couple Mondeos too and they were always manuals. So I guess make and model as well as what deals they can wangle come into it.
Maybe the manufacturer would like them to buy a certain percentage of autos?

JimmyTheHand

1,001 posts

173 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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peatmoor said:
It got me thinking though, why don't rental companies give you an auto as standard? No matter what you do you can't wreck the box in an auto, but even in the short time companies keep their cars I'm pretty sure a number of clutches or even boxes have required replacement.
If your average renter is someone who has never/rarely driven an auto (s UK) - then I would expect the accidental damage and time off road caused by hitting accelerator instead of brake or brake instead of clutch would exceed the replacing of clutches/gear boxes

confused_buyer

7,143 posts

212 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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It's not because the autos are hard to sell. It is because these days autos are prime retail stock so manufacturers off load unwanted manuals to the rental fleets.

Rental companies tend to have what manufacturers want to off load cheaply or on a cheap lease rather than any particular spec requirements from the rental company.

leafspring

7,032 posts

168 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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Why do they charge extra for an auto anyway?

All Enterprise had available last time I booked was an Auris Hybrid OR I could wait 2 hours and have an Hyundai i30 manual (I asked for a manual Focus)

Couldn't wait so HAD to take the Hybrid... they still charged me for an AUTO irked even though I had no other option.


Edited by leafspring on Monday 19th August 19:18

peatmoor

Original Poster:

196 posts

176 months

Monday 19th August 2013
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JimmyTheHand said:
If your average renter is someone who has never/rarely driven an auto (s UK) - then I would expect the accidental damage and time off road caused by hitting accelerator instead of brake or brake instead of clutch would exceed the replacing of clutches/gear boxes
Do people really do that?

Anyway I would have thought it better to put nervous drivers in an auto even if they are used to a manual especially if its a car they don't know.