997 Turbo Gen 1 vs Nissan GT-R MY2010/MY2011
Discussion
Hi,
I am in a pickle but think my mind may be made up, but still not certain - so looking for some thoughts from people who have actually owned one/both of these cars.
I have wanted a GT-R for ages now, so after selling my B7 RS4 recently, I thought - "yeah, I'll get a GT-R". Looked at the MY2010 for a bit, but then thought by the time I update the gearbox software and with the crazy service schedule, I should stretch to the MY2011 and I do think they look just that bit more modern.
However, I have heard off quite a few people that many others "get their fix" from a GT-R purchase, but then get bored/tired of it and change it within 6-12 months. Many people complain about the ride quality - is this justified.
I was speaking to a fellow petrolhead recently and we both came to an interesting thought - what about a 997 Turbo Gen 1?
I have now driven a couple of them and am very tempted. I really like the looks and think it will be a better car for a longer time. I am a youngish guy (25) and single, so can take a selfish view
. However, it would be an older car (2007/08) than the GT-R.
What are your thoughts guys/girls - what are they like to live with? I'm not driving everyday but tend to do big miles at the weekends, so need something very fun but also chilled for those long Sunday night motorway drives.
Thanks very much in advance!!
Will
I am in a pickle but think my mind may be made up, but still not certain - so looking for some thoughts from people who have actually owned one/both of these cars.
I have wanted a GT-R for ages now, so after selling my B7 RS4 recently, I thought - "yeah, I'll get a GT-R". Looked at the MY2010 for a bit, but then thought by the time I update the gearbox software and with the crazy service schedule, I should stretch to the MY2011 and I do think they look just that bit more modern.
However, I have heard off quite a few people that many others "get their fix" from a GT-R purchase, but then get bored/tired of it and change it within 6-12 months. Many people complain about the ride quality - is this justified.
I was speaking to a fellow petrolhead recently and we both came to an interesting thought - what about a 997 Turbo Gen 1?
I have now driven a couple of them and am very tempted. I really like the looks and think it will be a better car for a longer time. I am a youngish guy (25) and single, so can take a selfish view
. However, it would be an older car (2007/08) than the GT-R.What are your thoughts guys/girls - what are they like to live with? I'm not driving everyday but tend to do big miles at the weekends, so need something very fun but also chilled for those long Sunday night motorway drives.
Thanks very much in advance!!
Will
Tuvra said:
I fear I will be in this predicament in the next few years 
I honestly don't know which way I will/would turn.
You can also throw the Audi R8 into the mix too, at least I will be.
Had the B7 RS4 as last car, so wouldn't want the same engine again in the V8 one and the V10's are too much £££ for me. I honestly don't know which way I will/would turn.You can also throw the Audi R8 into the mix too, at least I will be.
Rawwr said:
The GTR rides a bit too firm for me, even in comfort, though you do read about a lot of people driving around in RRR all the time. Christ knows how they manage that without needing some sort of spinal surgery every few weeks.
Yeah, I tested a MY2013 and I didn't think it was that bad on comfort mode, but it was on quite smooth roads - i.e. dual carriageway. But also drove a Spec V (only thing available for test drive) and it was pretty horrendous on town roads.Do you think it's too hard for normal driving? Worried it could almost be embarrassing if you have others in the car and you just want a relaxing drive with them (it happens sometimes.....)
GTR every day of the week.
Get a good MY2010 (Much better wheels for a start ) and budget to take it to Litchfield imports.If its been serviced to the 6 month schedule then great but get them to maintain it anyway,better techs and half the price of a main dealer. They're bullet proof though, rarely go wrong.
£2000 will get you a reliable 620 bhp tune and a great soundtrack. Sensationally fast and enormous fun for not a lot of money,
If you could afford a gen 2 Turbo S then that would be a match but an earlier 997 Turbo is completely outmatched.
yes the ride is firm to say the least and its a wide car but its a force of nature.
Get a good MY2010 (Much better wheels for a start ) and budget to take it to Litchfield imports.If its been serviced to the 6 month schedule then great but get them to maintain it anyway,better techs and half the price of a main dealer. They're bullet proof though, rarely go wrong.
£2000 will get you a reliable 620 bhp tune and a great soundtrack. Sensationally fast and enormous fun for not a lot of money,
If you could afford a gen 2 Turbo S then that would be a match but an earlier 997 Turbo is completely outmatched.
yes the ride is firm to say the least and its a wide car but its a force of nature.
I was in your position a year ago.
The ride is waaaaaay too hard for a daily, and the service schedule really is a pi$$ take.
I ended up with a Gen1 Turbo with short shift and chrono.
Fair comment on the Turbo S vs Gen1, it really is MUCH better, but don't let that put you off a Gen1, it's a lovely thing,plenty fast enough 99.9% of the time.
Unfortunately Gen2 is sooooo much better, it's almost a different car.
The ride is waaaaaay too hard for a daily, and the service schedule really is a pi$$ take.
I ended up with a Gen1 Turbo with short shift and chrono.
Fair comment on the Turbo S vs Gen1, it really is MUCH better, but don't let that put you off a Gen1, it's a lovely thing,plenty fast enough 99.9% of the time.
Unfortunately Gen2 is sooooo much better, it's almost a different car.
Edited by FeelingLucky on Tuesday 17th September 09:59
I was also selfish and went for a 997. They are surprisingly practical. I thought about the GTR but servicing and general cost put me off.I also think that it looks bloody awful when compared to the Porsche.
Running the Porsche has been no more expensive than my M3 which in turn, was slightly less than my brother's RS4.
Drive both and see what floats your boat but after the RS4 both will be a revelation in terms of speed and handling.
Running the Porsche has been no more expensive than my M3 which in turn, was slightly less than my brother's RS4.
Drive both and see what floats your boat but after the RS4 both will be a revelation in terms of speed and handling.
FeelingLucky said:
I was in your position a year ago.
The ride is waaaaaay too hard for a daily, and the service schedule really is a pi$$ take.
I ended up with a Gen1 Turbo with short shift and chrono.
Sounds like you are the perfect person to hear from them. Very interesting about how baaaad you think the ride is! Do you find the ride good/acceptable in the porsche?The ride is waaaaaay too hard for a daily, and the service schedule really is a pi$$ take.
I ended up with a Gen1 Turbo with short shift and chrono.
Any reason why you didn't go for the Tiptronic? I know it is a bit old but I didn't think it was that bad - and to be honest, no worse than Merc's current dual clutch, which I find a bit dim-witted.
458carbon said:
Sounds like you are the perfect person to hear from them. Very interesting about how baaaad you think the ride is! Do you find the ride good/acceptable in the porsche?
Any reason why you didn't go for the Tiptronic? I know it is a bit old but I didn't think it was that bad - and to be honest, no worse than Merc's current dual clutch, which I find a bit dim-witted.
I'd say the ride is EXACTLY as you put it "good/acceptable" good the vast majority of the time, acceptable, on badly surfaced English roads. Never tiring or jarring.Any reason why you didn't go for the Tiptronic? I know it is a bit old but I didn't think it was that bad - and to be honest, no worse than Merc's current dual clutch, which I find a bit dim-witted.
That said however, I NEVER use the firm adaptive setting.
As for tip, just not my bag really, I came from an E46 M3 SMG (which I loved) and tipis just too far removed, just a regular auto in many ways. A lot on here love them, and I can understand that, they do work well with massive waves of torque. The other side of the coin is that the manual box is an utter peach, particularity with short shift.
Lovely, lovely car, drive one, I urge you.....(just re read your OP, you already have
)Then you'll understand. (Just don't drive a Gen2)
Edited by FeelingLucky on Tuesday 17th September 10:15
FeelingLucky said:
I'd say the ride is EXACTLY as you put it "good/acceptable" good the vast majority of the time, acceptable, on badly surfaced English roads. Never tiring or jarring.
That said however, I NEVER use the firm adaptive setting.
As for tip, just not my bag really, I came from an E46 M3 SMG (which I loved) and tipis just too far removed, just a regular auto in many ways. A lot on here love them, and I can understand that, they do work well with massive waves of torque. The other side of the coin is that the manual box is an utter peach, particularity with short shift.
Lovely, lovely car, drive one, I urge you.....(just re read your OP, you already have )
Then you'll understand. (Just don't drive a Gen2)
Yeah the firm seemed a bit too much for me - reminded me of Audi's ridiculous "Dynamic" mode where the ride is horrendous and the car feels like it's going to bounce off the road - only good when you're 10 tenths on it!!That said however, I NEVER use the firm adaptive setting.
As for tip, just not my bag really, I came from an E46 M3 SMG (which I loved) and tipis just too far removed, just a regular auto in many ways. A lot on here love them, and I can understand that, they do work well with massive waves of torque. The other side of the coin is that the manual box is an utter peach, particularity with short shift.
Lovely, lovely car, drive one, I urge you.....(just re read your OP, you already have
)Then you'll understand. (Just don't drive a Gen2)
Edited by FeelingLucky on Tuesday 17th September 10:15
Thanks for the info on 'box's too.
Ever tempted to remap it or not? I wouldn't at first as want to learn the car as it is, but interested if you would ever?
There may come a time when I think "If only this had a bit more power....."
It only dawned on me after a few weeks of ownership, that I'd never had my foot flat to the floor, and kept it there, so I did something about it.
A bit frightening really, the way it relentlessly gathers pace and has you WELL into three figures before you realize.
In some respects, a bit of a split personality, when you've had a bad day at work, you're fed up, tired, and JUST want to get home, it's cosseting, cozy, comfortable and refined (some say too quiet, I disagree), and then there's the time you just want to hoon, and it becomes an axe murderer (in a good way).
It only dawned on me after a few weeks of ownership, that I'd never had my foot flat to the floor, and kept it there, so I did something about it.
A bit frightening really, the way it relentlessly gathers pace and has you WELL into three figures before you realize.
In some respects, a bit of a split personality, when you've had a bad day at work, you're fed up, tired, and JUST want to get home, it's cosseting, cozy, comfortable and refined (some say too quiet, I disagree), and then there's the time you just want to hoon, and it becomes an axe murderer (in a good way).
FeelingLucky said:
There may come a time when I think "If only this had a bit more power....."
It only dawned on me after a few weeks of ownership, that I'd never had my foot flat to the floor, and kept it there, so I did something about it.
A bit frightening really, the way it relentlessly gathers pace and has you WELL into three figures before you realize.
In some respects, a bit of a split personality, when you've had a bad day at work, you're fed up, tired, and JUST want to get home, it's cosseting, cozy, comfortable and refined (some say too quiet, I disagree), and then there's the time you just want to hoon, and it becomes an axe murderer (in a good way).
That last paragraph sums it up perfectly I think!It only dawned on me after a few weeks of ownership, that I'd never had my foot flat to the floor, and kept it there, so I did something about it.
A bit frightening really, the way it relentlessly gathers pace and has you WELL into three figures before you realize.
In some respects, a bit of a split personality, when you've had a bad day at work, you're fed up, tired, and JUST want to get home, it's cosseting, cozy, comfortable and refined (some say too quiet, I disagree), and then there's the time you just want to hoon, and it becomes an axe murderer (in a good way).
macky17 said:
If what you want is weekend fun, neither (I've owned both). Essentially, they are daily drivers for those who can afford to use them that way (GTR good on track if you are rich). Something RWD and normally aspirated is the way to go.
Agree for pure weekend fun, but I need it for more than just that. Have missed having RWD for a bit now (had E39 M5 couple years ago) but need to use the car throughout winter so 4WD suits me well. Did you enjoy both the GT-R and the 997 Turb?
If you want effortless, extraordinary pace then yes, they are fun. Everything is relative though - both require you to reach criminal speeds even to scratch the surface of what they can do. You can get a little sideways action on country roads, particularly in the GTR, and I didn't find the Nissan particularly uncomfortable. If you must have 4WD then I guess both are good choices. Having said that, you won't find those huge 911 rear tyres are much good in snow Not sure if you can get all season tyres in those widths.
R8 V8 = much slower than either one but somehow more satisfying to drive. Of course an R8 V10 would be great if the budget extends that far...
But from everything you've said, and if you can afford to run it, it sounds as though the GTR is the car for you. Yes, it will cost a lot to run but the depreciation hit will be minimal compared to the hit you'll take on a generic 911 turbo. Ask me how I know
Not sure if you can get all season tyres in those widths. R8 V8 = much slower than either one but somehow more satisfying to drive. Of course an R8 V10 would be great if the budget extends that far...
But from everything you've said, and if you can afford to run it, it sounds as though the GTR is the car for you. Yes, it will cost a lot to run but the depreciation hit will be minimal compared to the hit you'll take on a generic 911 turbo. Ask me how I know
Edited by macky17 on Tuesday 17th September 12:39
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