RE: Alfa Romeo Spider/MX-5 tie-up
RE: Alfa Romeo Spider/MX-5 tie-up
Thursday 26th September 2013

Alfa Romeo Spider/MX-5 tie-up

Fire up the PH Photoshop-o-matic - there's more on the Alfa Spider/Mazda MX-5 collaboration!



Fresh off the back of our first drive of the Alfa Romeo 4C PH has got news on the Italian marque's forthcoming small sports car, which will share its chassis with the next generation Mazda MX-5 as part of an engineering tie-up between the Italian and Japanese firms.

One thing the Alfa won't share with the Mazda however, is its engine. Speaking to PH at the launch of the 4C, head of Alfa Romeo Europe Louis-Carl Vignon outlined the new car "will use Alfa engines, not jointly-developed engines", meaning it's more than likely the car will be powered by the new all-aluminium 1.75-litre four-cylinder turbocharged motor from the 4C, detuned and "producing around 200hp."

Here's one PH made earlier - seamless!
Here's one PH made earlier - seamless!
The unit is mounted transversely in Alfa's new carbonfibre sports car, which means it might require some modification for the upcoming front-engined convertible in order to send drive to the rear - "Rear-wheel drive is part of Alfa's history, so it'll be part of its future, too, and not just on the new small sports car," according to Vignon.

Expect the engine to be mated to the firm's new dual-clutch TCT transmission, but here's hoping the Italian marque offers a manual version, too.

Harking back to Alfa's of old it's thought the new roadster will be called the 'Spider', and just as the name evokes a dose of rose-tinted history, so will the styling.

"It'll have Alfa's traditional scudetto [the famous 'shield' grille] and like the 4C is very squat and very taut. It will draw styling cues from the 4C but will definitely have its own identity," believes Alfa's European head honcho. "It'll have more luxury than the 4C, too."

What the Spider will share with the fourth generation MX-5 is Mazda's lightweight, efficiency-focused 'Skyactiv' approach to vehicle construction, a point Alfa has welcomed with open arms. Vignon elaborates: "Mazda's Skyactiv attitude to building vehicles fits with Alfa Romeo's values and what the company stands for. The 4C is a line in the sand - everything after this has to be lightweight, efficient and high-performance. Technology and knowledge from the 4C will filter down on to the next generation of Alfa road cars."

So if Mazda isn't getting Alfa's new torquey turbo engines, what is it getting out of the project? "The partnership will give Mazda more sales volume", he reckons.

And if that means more of the 4C's grin factor at a more affordable price then we'll be happy, Alfa's Spider due a year after its MX-5 relation and on sale in 2015.

 

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Zircon

Original Poster:

305 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Looks so MX5 from some angles but with a nicer front and back.

Numberplate is going to cause havoc again though.....

Krikkit

27,938 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Zircon said:
Looks so MX5 from some angles but with a nicer front and back.

Numberplate is going to cause havoc again though.....
hehe The work of the PH 'shop monkey is obviously very convincing!

CAPP0

20,881 posts

234 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Zircon said:
Looks so MX5 from some angles
scratchchin

kambites

71,599 posts

252 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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hehe

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

222 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Should call it an Malfa Razda

Vee12V

1,411 posts

191 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Looks like it's photoshopped by Stevie Wonder. Why even bother...
Looking forward to the car though!

ayseven

130 posts

177 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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The Alfa engine is going to make this pretty nice. Understatement of the year.

MissChief

8,002 posts

199 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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What everyone hopes we will get: Japanese reliability with Italian styling. What we will probably get: Japanese styling with Italian reliability.

ChrisPap

395 posts

185 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Damn you Alfa! I wanted this pininfaria design with a small V6.



Instead you're going to offer me your own in house styling inspired by the 4C. Thanks, but no thanks.

Liokault

2,837 posts

245 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Get the Mazda team to develop the anti-corrosion, get the Italians to develop the electrics.......what could go wrong!

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

185 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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[quote=Vee12V]Looks like it's photoshopped by Stevie Wonder. Why even bother...

Too funny, it does have a certain "Noddy" look. Also looking forward to seeing the real thing!

tadaah

229 posts

242 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Carnnoisseur]ee12V said:
Looks like it's photoshopped by Stevie Wonder. Why even bother...

Too funny, it does have a certain "Noddy" look. Also looking forward to seeing the real thing!
That't good enough to be a front page Auto Express spy shot!

motormouth93

7 posts

158 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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MysteryLemon said:
Should call it an Malfa Razda
What about 'Alfazda'?

GravelBen

16,536 posts

261 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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ChrisPap said:
Damn you Alfa! I wanted this pininfaria design with a small V6.



Instead you're going to offer me your own in house styling inspired by the 4C. Thanks, but no thanks.
Now that is a pretty car smile

snotrag

15,707 posts

242 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Liokault said:
Get the Mazda team to develop the anti-corrosion, get the Italians to develop the electrics.......what could go wrong!
Most unintentionally ironic and amusing post ever goes to...! hehe

kambites

71,599 posts

252 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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GravelBen said:
Now that is a pretty car smile
Looked better with the original LED lights, IMO:


killingjoker

950 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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Zircon said:
Looks so MX5 from some angles but with a nicer front and back.
Looks so MX5 but with a horrid front.

cianha

2,176 posts

228 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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tadaah said:
That't good enough to be a front page Auto Express spy shot!
I was just about to say that! wink

I think we need a round of Whooshparrots for the table, though.

ZesPak

26,155 posts

227 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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ChrisPap said:
Damn you Alfa! I wanted this pininfaria design with a small V6.



Instead you're going to offer me your own in house styling inspired by the 4C. Thanks, but no thanks.
Question is though, if calculated, how long is that car?

Considering the MX-5 design is to keep it as compact as possible, that might not be possible. The MX-5 is just 4m long, that's over 20cm shorter than the '90 Spider.

Trying to keep everything in regs, and providing for two full grown persons will be very restrictive for the design.

carinaman

25,281 posts

203 months

Thursday 26th September 2013
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So it'll be using the mirrors from the MX-5 rather then the 4C then? wink