Need new Front tyres - Rears are fine..
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Hmmm. Bit of a wierd one here..
Rears on the Saab are fine (Hankook Ventus V12). The fronts have had it though, terrifyingly bad in the wet. We have just had a newborn so I am looking for new fronts.
I have only one tyre in mind and thats Rainsport 2's. Tempted to change just the front two and keep the Hankooks on the rear. I have ALWAYS had the same four brand on all four beforehand on all other cars.
And now with a newborn laddie, god knows why I am considering to go against what I normally do.
Do you think I'm being a bit of a fairy here? Or do you think I should just shell out for all four Rainsports?
Could not live with myself If summat happened and it was cos of different tyres.
Rears on the Saab are fine (Hankook Ventus V12). The fronts have had it though, terrifyingly bad in the wet. We have just had a newborn so I am looking for new fronts.
I have only one tyre in mind and thats Rainsport 2's. Tempted to change just the front two and keep the Hankooks on the rear. I have ALWAYS had the same four brand on all four beforehand on all other cars.
And now with a newborn laddie, god knows why I am considering to go against what I normally do.
Do you think I'm being a bit of a fairy here? Or do you think I should just shell out for all four Rainsports?
Could not live with myself If summat happened and it was cos of different tyres.
Get 2 new tyres that need replacing then swap them to the back wear the front ones down then replace with the same tyres big heavy fwd car will always wear tyres quicker on the front.
Then when the 2 front tyres need replacing swap with identical tyres as the back then swap back round. If that makes sense you will end up with all 4 tyres which will wear down more equally.
Then when the 2 front tyres need replacing swap with identical tyres as the back then swap back round. If that makes sense you will end up with all 4 tyres which will wear down more equally.
Swap the good rear tyres to the front and stick the new ones on the back.
Regardless whether this is better for grip, it's better to have the older set of tyres wear out quicker than the newuns. If all you ever do is replace the fronts, the rears could last years and years and eventually become dangerous from age.
Regardless whether this is better for grip, it's better to have the older set of tyres wear out quicker than the newuns. If all you ever do is replace the fronts, the rears could last years and years and eventually become dangerous from age.
Rainsport 3 has just come out. If you can wait a few weeks it will be in the shops.
HannsG said:
Hmmm. Bit of a wierd one here..
Rears on the Saab are fine (Hankook Ventus V12). The fronts have had it though, terrifyingly bad in the wet. We have just had a newborn so I am looking for new fronts.
I have only one tyre in mind and thats Rainsport 2's. Tempted to change just the front two and keep the Hankooks on the rear. I have ALWAYS had the same four brand on all four beforehand on all other cars.
And now with a newborn laddie, god knows why I am considering to go against what I normally do.
Do you think I'm being a bit of a fairy here? Or do you think I should just shell out for all four Rainsports?
Could not live with myself If summat happened and it was cos of different tyres.
Depending where you are I'm the country - I can probably get you the RainSports at the best price Rears on the Saab are fine (Hankook Ventus V12). The fronts have had it though, terrifyingly bad in the wet. We have just had a newborn so I am looking for new fronts.
I have only one tyre in mind and thats Rainsport 2's. Tempted to change just the front two and keep the Hankooks on the rear. I have ALWAYS had the same four brand on all four beforehand on all other cars.
And now with a newborn laddie, god knows why I am considering to go against what I normally do.
Do you think I'm being a bit of a fairy here? Or do you think I should just shell out for all four Rainsports?
Could not live with myself If summat happened and it was cos of different tyres.
Thanks, Stuart.
S. Gonzales Esq. said:
Patrick Bateman said:
What are BMW owners meant to do when we need front tyres only?
Exactly the same thing - new tyres on the rear. Although this sort of scenario is irrelevant to RWD cars as they wear both fronts and backs more eveny (in terms of time) than FWD.
pti said:
S. Gonzales Esq. said:
Patrick Bateman said:
What are BMW owners meant to do when we need front tyres only?
Exactly the same thing - new tyres on the rear. Although this sort of scenario is irrelevant to RWD cars as they wear both fronts and backs more eveny (in terms of time) than FWD.
I'm on my 5th BMW and they've all worn fronts and rears evenly, so I just change all four when they need doing. When I've owned less well balanced cars I've swapped the fronts and rears every so often to ensure the wear is even and then changed all four at once. The only problem with this philosophy is something like my 2-Eleven or the Elise I used to own, which aren't very well balanced but also run different sizes front and rear. In summary I'd change all four each time (swapping front and rear if necessary; i.e. on a FWD car). If that's not practical then change them when they need doing, but definitely run the same make and model of tyre front and rear.
ETA: The BMW tyre wear front/rear thing does depend how you drive of course. If you drive in a balanced way then the wear is usually pretty much identical front/rear; at least for the BMWs that I've owned anyway.
Can I horrify you lot and say that I disagree with new tyres on the rear? I think they should go on the front.
Why? For the normal driver lift off oversteer accidents rarely occur. For PHers that may be different. The vast majority of accidents are the frontal into another car/object. By having worn tyres at the front you have less grip and tread in the wet and are more likely to suffer from accident when you aquaplane.
Cars tend to be better sorted these days and lift off oversteer has been muted. Partly I see it as an opportunity for the tyre industry to sell more tyres over the life of a car.
Why? For the normal driver lift off oversteer accidents rarely occur. For PHers that may be different. The vast majority of accidents are the frontal into another car/object. By having worn tyres at the front you have less grip and tread in the wet and are more likely to suffer from accident when you aquaplane.
Cars tend to be better sorted these days and lift off oversteer has been muted. Partly I see it as an opportunity for the tyre industry to sell more tyres over the life of a car.
Patrick Bateman said:
Seems odd, all I've ever heard is the rear tyres wearing faster.
From my experience it seems to be around a 2:1 ratio. The fronts can last for ages.
From my experience it seems to be around a 2:1 ratio. The fronts can last for ages.
Can you possibly imagine why a BMW M5 might wear out it's rear tyres, and a Saab might wear out it's front ones? Nope, can't think why.
On a more positive note, I would go with the new tyres on the back too. If it still doesn't feel safe in the wet then lay out for 2 more, and maybe get the suspension geometry checked. Worn dampers or bushes starting to degrade might well make it feel a bit floaty, especially in marginal conditions.
kambites said:
vikingaero said:
Why? For the normal driver lift off oversteer accidents rarely occur.
The purpose of putting them on the rear isn't to avoid lift-off oversteer. It's to make sure the front aquaplanes before the rear. Or put it this way. Motorway comes to a standstill in the wet. You stamp on the brakes. Would you rather have 8mm of tread on the front or 1.6mm? (And assuming you're not a 24/7 driving God than avoids all dodgy scenarios).
vikingaero said:
Or put it this way. Motorway comes to a standstill in the wet. You stamp on the brakes. Would you rather have 8mm of tread on the front or 1.6mm? (And assuming you're not a 24/7 driving God than avoids all dodgy scenarios).
I'd want the tread on the back because if I had 8mm on the front and 1.6mm on the back, the back would quickly become the front anyway and then I've have neither braking nor control. It's less of an issue in a RWD car in a way because at least they usually have some weight over the rear, but in a FWD car there's no way I'd want less tread on the back.
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