Concrete motorway sections - why?
Concrete motorway sections - why?
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TTmonkey

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20,911 posts

277 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Why are some small parts of the Motorway system surfaced with concrete, as apposed to the majority of the motorways being laid with tarmac?

Is there a technical reason why some small stretches are concrete? Its harsh, noisy, usually bumpy. And I suspect grip levels are less. Its probably harder to lay also, so why is there some sections that are always concrete?


Always wondered why.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

234 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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M42 to M40

Shudder

I used to drive that section a lot and hate it

KTF

10,696 posts

180 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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I suspect its cheaper and/or deemed to be in an area where the noise it generates is less of an issue.

Matt UK

18,084 posts

230 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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I think it is more durable to heavy loads.

littleredrooster

6,410 posts

226 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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IIRC, it was a 1960s experiment. The M6 throught Lancs and Staffs used to be concrete sections with expansion strips and it seemed to be un-wear-outable, but lethal in the wet or snow; water settles on the surface and has nowhere to go.

Edited by littleredrooster on Friday 4th October 16:11

MarJay

2,181 posts

205 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Concrete lasts twice as long and costs half as much as asphalt, but it makes more noise so it can't be put near residential areas.

XAF

131 posts

240 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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It's also used in areas that may be susceptible to subsidence. Tarmac and hardcore will 'bend' and sag more than concrete. Some roads are made in concrete the covered in a thin veneer of Tarmac to reduce noise near residential areas. Both of these factors resulted in the patchwork that is the A1/M1 link road near Leeds

hidetheelephants

36,094 posts

223 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Concrete was cheap and quick to lay, which was deemed a 'good idea' when the UK was building her M-way network. The problem is that it's a bit ste as a road surface and almost impossible to repair once it starts falling to bits, so you have to rip it up and start again; IIRC attempts to just lay asphalt over the top failed quickly and spectacularly in some instances.

droopsnoot

14,717 posts

272 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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andy-xr said:
M42 to M40

Shudder
Not just me then. The start of the A50 heading east out of Stoke is pretty bad, but the section of M42 just before the M40 turn-off seriously had me wondering whether I had two punctures.

harlowhammer

77 posts

178 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Flipping A12 so noisy

jagracer

8,248 posts

266 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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When the A20 Swanley bypass was first laid in the 60s they put ripples in the concrete, presumably to get rid of water and it was so noisy the local residents couldn't sleep. It had to be relaid shortly after but It's still concrete and still noisy.

DonkeyApple

70,351 posts

199 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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hidetheelephants said:
Concrete was cheap and quick to lay, which was deemed a 'good idea' when the UK was building her M-way network. The problem is that it's a bit ste as a road surface and almost impossible to repair once it starts falling to bits, so you have to rip it up and start again; IIRC attempts to just lay asphalt over the top failed quickly and spectacularly in some instances.
Wasn't there also a Cold War military aspect when the motorways were built that meant they would also be core arteries for movement when the Russians landed and so needed to be able to handle tank transports?

I think that nowadays it is used in special situations to do with either compression situations or where steel is involved?

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Well laid quality concrete is superior to asphalt in many areas such as durability and grip.

I emphasis the "well laid" part

Dogwatch

6,383 posts

252 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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Motorways were built by different contractors each doing a length. Some contracts were won by contractors who bid on the basis of doing their 'bit' in concrete. Other contractors specified tarmac.

No mystery really.

Chris Stott

19,746 posts

227 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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M42 is a POS... the surface is absolute ste

saaby93

32,038 posts

208 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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skyrover said:
Well laid quality concrete is superior to asphalt in many areas such as durability and grip.

I emphasis the "well laid" part
Isnt it that concrete tends to stay flat, Tarmac formed into parallel depressions where HGV wheels run causing tramlines and standing water/ice

clarkey540i

2,220 posts

204 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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I have to say that concrete roads seem to be in much better condition than tarmac ones. I suspect that this is because concrete is less porous, preventing potholes forming from water expansion in winter.

Huff

3,432 posts

221 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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OTOH concrete road surfaces tend to beome a bit too polished, and settle unevenly ('thump, thump, thump, thump...') whereas tarmac doesn't - the bitumen binding component wears down faster than the rough stone, so remains grippier for longer.

I seem to recall (hating) the M11 when it was all conc simply because the wear-ruts in lane 1 were profound. Then again, at the time I had a powered-up Mini with some interesting geometry...

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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droopsnoot said:
The start of the A50 heading east out of Stoke is pretty bad
Stoke (Blythe Bridge) to Uttoxter, like one long bloody rumble strip. Not an old road either, built in the 80's I seem to remember.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

195 months

Friday 4th October 2013
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B17NNS said:
Stoke (Blythe Bridge) to Uttoxter, like one long bloody rumble strip. Not an old road either, built in the 80's I seem to remember.
Yep, bloody deafening at high speed!