Keypad entry for cars?

[Z064life]

Hi All,

I am looking at Clifford car alarms. However, one thing which all the alarm makers seem to be missing out on is keypad entry.


This seems ike a really good idea on paper. Is there a reason why carmarkers don't provide this?



Thanks

[TNTom]

I'm sure Citroen used to have this in the 90's?

[TVR1]

They did. In 1996.

[GavinPearson]

Almost all high level trim Fords and Lincolns in the USA offer a keypad. It's a great feature, speaking from experience.

[TVR1]

GavinPearson said:

Almost all high level trim Fords and Lincolns in the USA offer a keypad. It's a great feature, speaking from experience.

The perfect Oxymoron.

[Thebritishguy]

My god they look cheap though, nothing quite like an additional 6x4 inch lump of plastic on your drivers door to ruin the lines and look of the car

[DukeDickson]

Z064life said:

Hi All,

I am looking at Clifford car alarms. However, one thing which all the alarm makers seem to be missing out on is keypad entry.


This seems ike a really good idea on paper. Is there a reason why carmarkers don't provide this?



Thanks

Doesn't work? Cheaper (if less elegant) alternatives?


Unfortunate reality is that if they really, really want, they will have, unless, you are very clever, have lots of security (or friends), know the potential pitfalls or have a wannabe shed. Or, perm some combination of those kind of things.


Oh, and if nothing else, desperate & dumb numbers Vs a single owner works miracles 99 times+ out of the hundred. Piece of tin & stuff when faced with that.

[ging84]

would this pin code be instead of the key or as well as it?
if it instead of, then it would make cars less secure, less reliable and less convenient
if it is as well as it would be an inconvenience too far for me, last thing i want to be doing is punch in a pin code to a tiny freezing cold terminal while getting moaned at by my gf in the rain

[405dogvan]

Dumb idea - it's a faff to enter the code and unless you change the code frequently, the buttons will quickly wear to the point it's pretty obvious what the code is.

It also has the additional issue of being a pain-in-the-ass for valet parking/dealers/people who share cars AND if someone was to break into your house to steal your car, you'd force them into extracting the code from you personally - which might not be something you'd enjoy...

I fail to see what more you need than a key and a hole to stick it into - anything else is just making things complex for the sake of it.

If someone wants you car badly enough, they'll take it - don't make your life miserable for the rest of the time (I'm talking to those nutters with full steering-wheel locks and other crap in particular!)

[vikingaero]

I can't think of anything worse! It's pishing down, you run to your car tap in the 5-6 digit code (4 digit too insecure) and possibly mistype and then get in. Or you can run to your car, press yout keyfob to unlock and jump in. Even the system use on ZipCars where you hold a card to the sensor on the windscreen to unlock the car is better.

What does the average juvenile do when they see a keypad on a door/building? They press the numbers.

[Daniel1]

TNTom said:

I'm sure Citroen used to have this in the 90's?

Is that the one in the centre console for the immobiliser?

I'm sure my impreza has one for the immobiliser, no idea what the code is though.

[HTP99]

Daniel1 said:

TNTom said:

I'm sure Citroen used to have this in the 90's?

Is that the one in the centre console for the immobiliser?

I'm sure my impreza has one for the immobiliser, no idea what the code is though.

Yes, in the 90's both Citroen and Peugeot had immobilisers on certain models that were deactivated using a numeric keypad; pain in the arse!

[Baryonyx]

HTP99 said:

Yes, in the 90's both Citroen and Peugeot had immobilisers on certain models that were deactivated using a numeric keypad; pain in the arse!

It was particularly favoured on the hot models, so appeared in the Peugeot 106 GTi and Rallye and in the Saxo VTS. However, it was known to be a bit fritzy, and if there is one set of electrics you don't want to bog down, it's the set that allows you to start the damn car! So they are an interesting piece of 'days gone by' technology, but not the sort of thing I would want in my car!

[HTP99]

Baryonyx said:

HTP99 said:

Yes, in the 90's both Citroen and Peugeot had immobilisers on certain models that were deactivated using a numeric keypad; pain in the arse!

It was particularly favoured on the hot models, so appeared in the Peugeot 106 GTi and Rallye and in the Saxo VTS. However, it was known to be a bit fritzy, and if there is one set of electrics you don't want to bog down, it's the set that allows you to start the damn car! So they are an interesting piece of 'days gone by' technology, but not the sort of thing I would want in my car!

It was a gimmick and product of its time and I should imagine quite "cool" for a younger person, for a while! The equivalent now would be a retina or fingerprint scanner on ones car, again probably quite cool and fun for a few days and then it would get rather tiresome.

[McWigglebum4th]

I've a much better idea

Fit all cars with a towball.



Then make it a legal necessity that all car owners tow behind them a woodchipper.

And they are also forced by law to carry a stun gun


Then you are forced by law that when you find a car thief you stun them and send them through the woodchipper



Yes it might be a bit messy for a few years in areas like liverpool

[SVX]

All Government spec vehicles in the good 'ole US of A have this feature, mainly on the likes of a Ford Crown Victoria, and SUVs such as Chevrolet Suburbans, 4 digit keypad and push button start.

[HTP99]

SVX said:

All Government spec vehicles in the good 'ole US of A have this feature, mainly on the likes of a Ford Crown Victoria, and SUVs such as Chevrolet Suburbans, 4 digit keypad and push button start.

Does that system do away with any form of key or like many European hands free entry systems does one still have to have a key of some sort on their person?

[Palms]

My old ph1 306 dturbo had this keycode feature and it was nothing but a ballache entering it all the time

[saaby93]

I still cant see anything beating a key
If removing the key locks the gearbox in reverse or park
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For reasons outlined in another thread the keypad system was killed off
Too many people forgetting their PIN code
Need for a workshop access code '1111'
Workshop access code becomes common knowledge

and threads like this
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t...

What's this site about
http://www.dhgate.com/product/lexia-3-lexia3-lexia...

Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 5th October 09:33

[s p a c e m a n]

Did you learn nothing from the BMW immobiliser saga? Mass produced electronic security is a stupid idea.