Why are modern tyres so rubbish in the UK?
Why are modern tyres so rubbish in the UK?
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HertsBiker

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6,443 posts

301 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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For flips sake. All these slick look, highway rib type tyres.. Why? With the exception of winter or 4x4 tyres there is not a lot now that will out perform the tyres that were in use decades ago. Admittedly I'm talking adverse conditions like snow, ice, mud. However my fathers morris minor never got stuck and never crashed on snow, ice, mud. So why have we gone backwards? Why the bias towards dry road handling? Even my old Mini never got stuck on 12 inch wheels!

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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The ring time MAN don't you care about the ring time

how could you forget the ring time


And who will sleep with you if you don have 38' rim alloys

Escy

4,130 posts

179 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Cars are bigger and therefore have bigger tyres which makes them not so good for the conditions you've described.

skyrover

12,700 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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larger vehicle choice today.

how many SUV's were sold back then?

herewego

8,814 posts

243 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Escy said:
Cars are bigger and therefore have bigger tyres which makes them not so good for the conditions you've described.
Are tyres really bigger because the cars are bigger or is it just fashion?

jon-

16,534 posts

246 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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HertsBiker said:
With the exception of winter or 4x4 tyres there is not a lot now that will out perform the tyres that were in use decades ago. Admittedly I'm talking adverse conditions like snow, ice, mud. However my fathers morris minor never got stuck and never crashed on snow, ice, mud. So why have we gone backwards? Why the bias towards dry road handling? Even my old Mini never got stuck on 12 inch wheels!
You've cited a couple of sub 800kgs cars on narrow blocky tyres. You may as well compare them to bikes.

Put the same tyres on a Golf 7 and you'll soon find that modern tyres do perform much better in most normal driving conditions. If you want a tyre that works in all conditions, put on a proper all season tyre, which will out perform your dads morris minor tyres in ALL conditions.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Except that modern tyres are perfect for the UK, as they now have better grip characteristics for 99.99% of the average motorists driving.

For that 1 day every 3 years when it snows heavily, either:

1) learnt to drive properly

or

2) Stay in bed



;-)

smiffy180

6,029 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Slightly off topic but better than starting a new thread, I'm sure I read on an American forum about them getting 40k miles - not kilometres. And that they get a warranty with the tyres if they don't last atleast x amount of miles. Are both of these true?
Is it down to the road surfacing in the UK?

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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smiffy180 said:
Slightly off topic but better than starting a new thread, I'm sure I read on an American forum about them getting 40k miles - not kilometres. And that they get a warranty with the tyres if they don't last atleast x amount of miles. Are both of these true?
Is it down to the road surfacing in the UK?
You buy tyres in the UK that will last longer then that

They are made of Teflon though

The Vambo

7,748 posts

171 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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valais

59,761 posts

185 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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I had 52k miles from my last set of Michelin Primacys - And that's on an A6...

jhonn

1,707 posts

179 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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HertsBiker said:
For flips sake. All these slick look, highway rib type tyres.. Why?
Maybe because the tyre manufacturers optimise their road tyres for where they spend most of their time - on tarmac (not snow, ice or mud).

Did you get stuck in a muddy field or something?

smiffy180

6,029 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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valais said:
I had 52k miles from my last set of Michelin Primacys - And that's on an A6...
Seriously? I've been getting 10k miles on my last car (1.6tdci focus) driving like a granny. I must be buying wrong ones confused

valais

59,761 posts

185 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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smiffy180 said:
Seriously? I've been getting 10k miles on my last car (1.6tdci focus) driving like a granny. I must be buying wrong ones confused
Seriously. I'd need to double check they were Primacy, but they were Michelin. Oh, and it was mostly motorway at 60 in rush hour.

The Bridgestones have done 25k so far... Even the winters have managed 12k.

Lowtimer

4,293 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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Max_Torque said:
Except that modern tyres are perfect for the UK, as they now have better grip characteristics for 99.99% of the average motorists driving.

For that 1 day every 3 years when it snows heavily, either:

1) learnt to drive properly

or

2) Stay in bed



;-)
Here speaks someone who presumably never ventures north of the Humber or west of Exeter.

smiffy180

6,029 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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valais said:
Seriously. I'd need to double check they were Primacy, but they were Michelin. Oh, and it was mostly motorway at 60 in rush hour.

The Bridgestones have done 25k so far... Even the winters have managed 12k.
I hate you hehe
Cheers though I'll have to have a read into what tyres to get next

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

263 months

Thursday 10th October 2013
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HertsBiker said:
For flips sake. All these slick look, highway rib type tyres.. Why? With the exception of winter or 4x4 tyres there is not a lot now that will out perform the tyres that were in use decades ago. Admittedly I'm talking adverse conditions like snow, ice, mud. However my fathers morris minor never got stuck and never crashed on snow, ice, mud. So why have we gone backwards? Why the bias towards dry road handling? Even my old Mini never got stuck on 12 inch wheels!
Modern 165-width tyres cope perfectly well with the worst a northern winter can throw at my 309 (I find 175s on the Jazz and the Maestro struggle to get the car moving in identical conditions but they drive OK once going, so draw your own conclusions as to the cause of 'the issue' from this minimal research hehe ) wink .

Oh, and my Mini 1000 would get through snow up to 18" deep on its 165/70R10s when needed; that width of tyres again?? hehe

HustleRussell

26,606 posts

190 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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The Vambo said:
This hehe

Modern tyres are fking good. I think we're thoroughly spoiled!

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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The widish tyres on my daily drive are rubbish in the snow. I really hope I have my Triumph Dolomite on the road this year for some frolicking. smile

HustleRussell

26,606 posts

190 months

Friday 11th October 2013
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A few things which haven't been mentioned yet.

Modern cars are bigger, heavier, and faster. They also have big brakes to decelerate their large mass from the high speeds they are able to acheive. Tyre rolling circumference is also getting bigger because it makes gearing easier and decreases engine RPM and drivetrain losses.

Due to the increased weight and speed, load and speed ratings get higher and the tyres get wider and lower profile. Due to the larger brakes (and fashion) wheel diameters increase etc etc...