Fuel duty when electric cars are commonplace?

[budfox]

£30bn/year is a lot of money. There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere and that duty will no longer be there.

How will the government of the day make up for the fall?

Smart charging points with a taxable levy?
Ramp up the cost of electricity?
Even bigger taxation on petrol/diesel?
V.E.D at £2k/year on all cars?
Road charging via GPS tracking?

I reckon that in five years we'll see 15% of new car sales being electric models. Ten years 50%.

How will this play out over the coming 20 years?

[Getragdogleg]

Road charging via GPS, the tech is way further ahead than most people are aware and the EU is spending lots to make it a reality.

Expect an EU wide road charge that the EU collects as well as other local state charges like VED and congestion zones.

[SpaceGhost]

When electric cars are more popular than fossil fuel cars, electricity will become more expensive, fossil fuels will become less expensive. The gubberment need their cut.

[Crafty_]

Either road pricing or the only other way is you end up having a separate meter in the house, the feed to this would be taxed accordingly.

[snapdragon69]

If you've seen these e-car charging points, they aren't just a socket. They have swipe cards and secure handshakes with the vehicle, so I suspect that these will tell smart meters (which EU have mandated) that you should be charged 136.9p/kWh, 70% of which will be duty.

[Badgerboy]

Hmm, generating my own electricity with a petrol generator may become economically viable then! Might upset the neighbours a tad though.

[John_S4x4]

Badgerboy said:

Hmm, generating my own electricity with a petrol generator may become economically viable then! Might upset the neighbors a tad though.

Hmm, you might be on to something there. Perhaps I should buy a dirt cheap Toyota Prius with knackered batteries and a big set of jump leads to charge up my new all electric car ?

[mygoldfishbowl]

budfox said:

£30bn/year is a lot of money. There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere and that duty will no longer be there.

How will the government of the day make up for the fall?

Smart charging points with a taxable levy?
Ramp up the cost of electricity?
Even bigger taxation on petrol/diesel?
V.E.D at £2k/year on all cars?
Road charging via GPS tracking?

I reckon that in five years we'll see 15% of new car sales being electric models. Ten years 50%.

How will this play out over the coming 20 years?

The cost of Electric is already being ramped up.

Taxation on petrol/diesel is & has been increasing for quite a while.

Ved increases every year & there will be less & less of exempt vehicles.

Don't know about gps but there is already road charging on a smaller scale even if it's called congestion charging, bridge tolls etc.

So to answer your question, all of the above & everything you suggested & lots more I can imagine.

[Terminator X]

Whatever happens you can guarantee they will take the opportunity to add to our tax burden ie leave current taxes in place and invent new ones.

TX.

[Efbe]

Getragdogleg said:

Road charging via GPS, the tech is way further ahead than most people are aware and the EU is spending lots to make it a reality.

Expect an EU wide road charge that the EU collects as well as other local state charges like VED and congestion zones.

I wouldn't be so sure about our integration into the EU. I can see a few signs of us starting to push away from their control, eg, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2455549/Br...

[J4CKO]

Perhaps we could all get cross trainers, treadmills and exercise bikes that generate electricity and charge our cars, I wonder how many days you would have to cycle for to charge a car up ?

[Tannedbaldhead]

If we all stopped driving tomorrow to walk and ride bikes they would tax the air we breath.

[Mr GrimNasty]

"There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere..."

Thanks, always like a nice chuckle before bed.

[Badgerboy]

Mr GrimNasty said:

"There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere..."

Thanks, always like a nice chuckle before bed.

I could see them being the norm within larger cities as commuter vehicles or second cars, depends on the tax breaks involved. Certainly still not practical for anything approximating a ICE replacement.

[J4CKO]

Mr GrimNasty said:

"There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere..."

Thanks, always like a nice chuckle before bed.

It has started, not sure why it would seem far fetched ?

[McWigglebum4th]

What i want to know is

If we all live on the 27th floor in our blocks of flats



What happens on floors 1 to 27?

[With these feet]

Tannedbaldhead said:

If we all stopped driving tomorrow to walk and ride bikes they would tax the air we breath.

They already do but most people dont realise it.

Taxing anything on CO2 emissions.....

[pb1695]

The national grid is already creaking at the seams, until other forms of electricity generation can be introduced quickly and at relatively low cost, it is many years until we have a significant number of electric cars - we just could not power them all.

Sales of the hybrid / cars with on board chargers will continue to expand and become more common, perhaps in 10 years they may take up a significant proportion of new car sales.

Petrol / Oil is still relatively cheap - the tax and duties on it make it expensive. Oil is still abundant, massive infrastructure is in place to exploit and distribute it, and it is easy to tax. Petrol & diesel will continue to be the norm for many years to come. Tolls & GPS tracking will become more widespread along with vehicle recognition systems from road mounted camera's - taxes will continue to increase and the Government will keep moving one step closer to Big Brother in order to ensure we are all easier to manage!

[CDP]

J4CKO said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

"There will be a time when electric cars are everywhere..."

Thanks, always like a nice chuckle before bed.

It has started, not sure why it would seem far fetched ?

Because we barely have the generating capacity for our industrial/domestic consumption. Wind turbines just won't cut it, nuclear will take decades to increase and the Greens would (quite rightly) go barmy at building coal fired generators just to fuel cars...

[kambites]

Road charging. That way they can "double dip" on fossil fuel powered cars.