RE: Peugeot RCZ R: preview
RE: Peugeot RCZ R: preview
Wednesday 23rd October 2013

Peugeot RCZ R: preview

PH has a poke around the upcoming RCZ flagship and the news is good!



We all know perfectly well that a decent fast Peugeot has become an extremely rare car. Yes, the 208 GTI has initiated a return to form, but look at the Peugeot hatches during the 2000s; 206 and 207 GTIs, plus the 307 XSI and 308 GT. Hardly inspirational.

They're ready to go! Drive is next month
They're ready to go! Drive is next month
And everyone is also aware of the abandon with which the phrase 'Peugeot is back to its best' or such like is thrown around. So it's with a little trepidation that we're quietly keen on the RCZ R.

Following a preview day at Peugeot Sport's Paris HQ, the RCZ R promises much. Really. The initial spec was released a little while ago, but the vitals are as follows: 270hp, 247lb ft, a six-second sprint to 62 plus a Torsen limited-slip differential.

Unfortunately, the originally quoted 1,280kg kerbweight appears to have been an error. The R is 17kg lighter than the RCZ200, but that car weighs 1,421 kg, making the R 1,404kg. Disappointing, but there are plenty of positives too.

The nerdy little details revealed in Paris are certainly encouraging. Like the swap from Conti Premium Contacts to Goodyear Eagle F1s (as used on the Porsche Cayman) for improved response and grip. Like using fixed four-piston brake calipers rather than floating items. And like using lighter wheels to reduce unsprung mass.

Cup and R both from the guys at Peugeot Sport
Cup and R both from the guys at Peugeot Sport
'Thorough' is a word that springs to mind when being talked round the RCZ R. Take the engine modifications for example. Getting 270hp from a 200hp 1.6-litre turbo isn't the job of an ECU reflash, but the attention to detail is encouraging. Forged Mahle pistons, new bearings and conrods, a different exhaust manifold, an entirely redesigned exhaust system, tweaks to the block plus the obligatory turbo and intercooler upgrades make for some comprehensive changes.

There was inevitably some discussion about a production engine with nearly 170hp/litre. Peugeot pointed us towards the RCZ Cup car, its racer that has been running a 250hp version of the EP6CDT 1.6 for a couple of seasons now. Peugeot Sport can therefore directly take experience from the race version for the road car. Tangible motorsport links get a thumbs-up from us.

Peugeot has set itself high targets...
Peugeot has set itself high targets...
Chassis tweaks include stiffer springs, new dampers and anti-roll bars plus wider tracks. Moreover, geometry changes will make the car 'more fun to play with'. That's a quote from the RCZ R technical chief. He mentioned too that circuit testing has taken place on six venues around Paris, with the focus on track performance. Track performance was an explicit priority for the changes made to the R from standard. The Megane 265 was benchmarked for its circuit handling, a very high bar to match.

Bombarded with PR talk and enthusiasm, new cars always appear exciting in isolation. Against hatches like the Megane and coupes like the Scirocco R, the RCZ R will face some hugely talented opposition too. But a day with the people behind the project makes us optimistic; we'll find out the reality with a drive next month.

[Source: Peugeot Sport]

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V8 FOU

Original Poster:

3,023 posts

177 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Sorry, but 1400kg?? Jeez that's 911 weight. If it was about 1100kg, then that would be good.

Centurion07

10,395 posts

277 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Quite like the first pic but those wheel really do nothing for it.

A while back we popped in to our local dealer looking for a 207cc and they had an RCZ in the showroom. No idea exactly which one but it was most definitely very well-specced, enough that I left wanting one. If I was in the market for this type of car, this would be very high up the list. And I detest French cars! wink

_Neal_

2,954 posts

249 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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"flasgship"?

menoy

142 posts

164 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Guess it's 1280kg dry?

As to the Cup engine - how often does that get rebuilt?

Dazed & Confused

209 posts

234 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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_Neal_ said:
"flasgship"?
Whast seesms tso bse thse prosblem?

The Vambo

7,740 posts

171 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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V8 FOU said:
Sorry, but 1400kg?? Jeez that's 911 weight. If it was about 1100kg, then that would be good.
I'm sure 1100kg would be lovely but to actually engineer a car down to a weight pulled from your ass might just push the price up a little. 100K should cover it.

kambites

71,573 posts

251 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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270bhp from a 1.6 in a (relatively) mainstream production car? yikes

Not sure why people are getting hung up on the weight - yes it's heavy, but it's about par for the course for the size of car. It's not meant to be a sports car.

dukebox9reg

1,722 posts

178 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Im sure Mini JCW's mapped alone go up to 280bhp so the statement of a map alone wouldn't make 270 isnt exactly true.

A 182bhp Mini Cooper S maps to 230bhp/240lbft

kambites

71,573 posts

251 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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dukebox9reg said:
Im sure Mini JCW's mapped alone go up to 280bhp so the statement of a map alone wouldn't make 270 isnt exactly true.

A 182bhp Mini Cooper S maps to 230bhp/240lbft
Doesn't the JCW have a different turbocharger/charge-cooler setup to the RCZ?

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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kambites said:
270bhp from a 1.6 in a (relatively) mainstream production car? yikes

Not sure why people are getting hung up on the weight - yes it's heavy, but it's about par for the course for the size of car. It's not meant to be a sports car.
Yep - the Scirocco R is about 1400kg, give or take, the Mini Coupé is supposedly about 1250kg kerb weight, but it's 60hp down on this.

dukebox9reg said:
Im sure Mini JCW's mapped alone go up to 280bhp so the statement of a map alone wouldn't make 270 isnt exactly true.

A 182bhp Mini Cooper S maps to 230bhp/240lbft
How long does it last mapped all that way up?

dukebox9reg

1,722 posts

178 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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kambites said:
dukebox9reg said:
Im sure Mini JCW's mapped alone go up to 280bhp so the statement of a map alone wouldn't make 270 isnt exactly true.

A 182bhp Mini Cooper S maps to 230bhp/240lbft
Doesn't the JCW have a different turbocharger/charge-cooler setup to the RCZ?
My point was against the comment rather than in the detail. The BMW's (MINI's)1.6T have different heads and I believe the JCW does has beefier internals, bigger turbo and injectors but thats all for 217bhp I believe. Shows how restricted they are.

I believe a superchips remap (not universally liked I know) takes the RCZ over 250bhp


Frimley111R

19,321 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Regardig weight, go and look at one up close, its a BIG car. Plenty of rear space and a big boot. Its weight doesn't seem bad at all after that.

snorky

2,322 posts

281 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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tried the normal one of these and the last thing it needed was stiffer springs...

Rumblestripe

4,097 posts

192 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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From a certain rear 3/4 view I get a shape that reminds me strongly of Kylie Minogue bent over a photocopier...

Matt Bird

1,554 posts

235 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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[quote=Dazed & Confused]
_Neal_ said:
"flasgship"?
Whast seesms tso bse thse prosblem?
Ah. It would seem the RCZ R is such an exciting project that I lost the ability to spell correctly. Thanks for pointing it out, subhead is corrected now.

Cheers,


Matt

_Neal_

2,954 posts

249 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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Matt Bird said:
Ah. It would seem the RCZ R is such an exciting project that I lost the ability to spell correctly. Thanks for pointing it out, subhead is corrected now.

Cheers,


Matt
beer

David87

7,033 posts

242 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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I wonder how the engine in this differs from the MINI JCW GP (officially 215bhp, but general consensus is ~240bhp)? The MINI is under 1200kgs too.

Coldfuse

518 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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I gleaned two things from this article... Peugeot has a new fast car (yay?) and Paris has 6 motor sport tracks?!

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

248 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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No note of it having a 'Pathetic Engine Sound Generator' either so good news there wink

I don't like the wheels but overall this is a very good looking car. More so than anything else in that market imo.

Performance I am sure will be impressive with that kind of power, for me anything that size and weight with 250+ hp is going to put a smile on my face.

tombstone

214 posts

243 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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white with what looked like white compomotive MO's seen driven enthusiastically near silverstone.... modified car or new R?? Was on 63 plates on Monday...Looked lovely!