Which Pick-Up?
Discussion
eck c said:
Probably just needing some backup on my fav so far the Hilux
Requirements: 8 to 15£K, low miles, crew cab, leather interior, mostly road with field/dirt track use (no green lane stuff), have reliability of my departing Subaru, accessories will probably be added
At the end of the day, the number of available pick trucks on sale in the UK is quite small. So you don't exactly have a massive amount to choose from.Requirements: 8 to 15£K, low miles, crew cab, leather interior, mostly road with field/dirt track use (no green lane stuff), have reliability of my departing Subaru, accessories will probably be added
Personally I'd probably look at US trucks however, as they are generally more capable and better specced. They also have much better residuals too.
A petrol one running on LPG is also likely to be cheaper per mile than any UK spec diesel truck. And diesel trucks offer a lot more power or marginally less mpg than UK spec ones.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/d...
Friend had an L200 from new (2009) until a few weeks ago. Had an extremely difficult life (farmer), often towing and off roading. Never, ever went wrong in 60k miles, and only replaced it because he wanted a Defender Double Cab (which has been back to the dealers more times that I care to mention). Rear Diff Lock was a useful addition (which most have I believe) for off roading.
My Dad bought a Ranger and loves it, his is only a basic one for the farm but it's reliability and build quality is fantastic.
He did quite a lot of research, decided you were over-paying for the Hilux due to the whole top gear thing and the name. The Mitsi L200's have engine trouble (from previous experience) and he didn't like anything about the Navara when he drove one.
He did quite a lot of research, decided you were over-paying for the Hilux due to the whole top gear thing and the name. The Mitsi L200's have engine trouble (from previous experience) and he didn't like anything about the Navara when he drove one.
300bhp/ton said:
At the end of the day, the number of available pick trucks on sale in the UK is quite small. So you don't exactly have a massive amount to choose from.
Personally I'd probably look at US trucks however, as they are generally more capable and better specced. They also have much better residuals too.
A petrol one running on LPG is also likely to be cheaper per mile than any UK spec diesel truck. And diesel trucks offer a lot more power or marginally less mpg than UK spec ones.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/d...
The difference between a European truck and an American truck .Personally I'd probably look at US trucks however, as they are generally more capable and better specced. They also have much better residuals too.
A petrol one running on LPG is also likely to be cheaper per mile than any UK spec diesel truck. And diesel trucks offer a lot more power or marginally less mpg than UK spec ones.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/d...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDhI-K0aAk8
Edited by sherman on Thursday 24th October 16:23
sherman said:
The difference between a European truck and an American truck .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDhI-K0aAk8
Bit of a pointless video isn't it? 2wd vs 4wd in a tow off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDhI-K0aAk8
Edited by sherman on Thursday 24th October 16:23
t for cars, good for pick ups.300bhp/ton said:
At the end of the day, the number of available pick trucks on sale in the UK is quite small. So you don't exactly have a massive amount to choose from.
Personally I'd probably look at US trucks however, as they are generally more capable and better specced. They also have much better residuals too.
A petrol one running on LPG is also likely to be cheaper per mile than any UK spec diesel truck. And diesel trucks offer a lot more power or marginally less mpg than UK spec ones.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/d...
Having used a few full sized US pickups, I can report that the fuel consumption is frightening. They are a big vehicle with most of the space wasted. The do have a lot of power (and the thirst that come with it) but don't really have the chassis strength to pull the loads the HP indicates they should be doing. There were next to no brakes on the trailers I pulled with them and the brakes on the pickups didn't make up for it. Personally I'd probably look at US trucks however, as they are generally more capable and better specced. They also have much better residuals too.
A petrol one running on LPG is also likely to be cheaper per mile than any UK spec diesel truck. And diesel trucks offer a lot more power or marginally less mpg than UK spec ones.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/d...
About their only saving grace is that they are (assuming specced to do so) quite easy just to waft around in, an for those reasons, arm oot.
Willy Nilly said:
Having used a few full sized US pickups, I can report that the fuel consumption is frightening. They are a big vehicle with most of the space wasted. The do have a lot of power (and the thirst that come with it) but don't really have the chassis strength to pull the loads the HP indicates they should be doing. There were next to no brakes on the trailers I pulled with them and the brakes on the pickups didn't make up for it.
About their only saving grace is that they are (assuming specced to do so) quite easy just to waft around in, an for those reasons, arm oot.
I know you've driven these. But don't you usually compare them to plant and industrial machinery? Not exactly sure how well an L200 chassis would cope either, as in, most UK trucks are lighter duty.About their only saving grace is that they are (assuming specced to do so) quite easy just to waft around in, an for those reasons, arm oot.
300bhp/ton said:
I know you've driven these. But don't you usually compare them to plant and industrial machinery? Not exactly sure how well an L200 chassis would cope either, as in, most UK trucks are lighter duty.
An L200 is plenty strong enough to tow and haul what it is plated to do in this country and they don't have over 300hp. There are 400hp pickups now that talk the talk about being ruffty tuffty work vehicles grr http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado-3500hd-diesel-t... can you feel your chest hairs bristling yet? http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/ 30,000lb towing capacity http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/ram_3500/ manly, that's about 14 tonnes, now lets see you stop it 
and keep cool I've had both a L200 Mitsu and a Nissan Navarra from new. The Nissan was more comfortable inside, and more car like to drive, and better specc'd than the Mitsu - fuel economy was marginally better in the Nissan. My Nissan seemed to get through brakes and tyres a lot more than the L200 though.
The biggest difference was how they wore their age though - the Mitsu deteriorated a lot less than the Nissan - the Mitsu seemed much more strongly built and even the interior leather and plastics seemed of much better quality in the Mitsu, although more basic.
The 4wd sensors in the Navarra can be a bit of a trouble spot it seems (mine went twice) but its an easy diy fix (usually just a clean), and the clutches on the early models were apparently a bit fragile for towing.
There is no doubt that with a decent interior and a double cab they are superb multi functional vehicles though. Give it a polish and you can go to a wedding on a saturday in it, then chuck a ton of gravel in the back on a Monday and get it across a field.
Oddly, down here in leafy Surrey the Nissan seemed very intimidating to other road users, and traffic seemed to give it a wide berth, despite it really being no bigger than the Range Rovers and Q7's that are everywhere - perhaps I just looked like a 3.142key in it. In rural scotland, where I lived when I originally got it, no-one notices them as everyone has one.
Summary - solid, never go wrong workhorse = L200 ; a bit more comfort and style = Nissan
The biggest difference was how they wore their age though - the Mitsu deteriorated a lot less than the Nissan - the Mitsu seemed much more strongly built and even the interior leather and plastics seemed of much better quality in the Mitsu, although more basic.
The 4wd sensors in the Navarra can be a bit of a trouble spot it seems (mine went twice) but its an easy diy fix (usually just a clean), and the clutches on the early models were apparently a bit fragile for towing.
There is no doubt that with a decent interior and a double cab they are superb multi functional vehicles though. Give it a polish and you can go to a wedding on a saturday in it, then chuck a ton of gravel in the back on a Monday and get it across a field.
Oddly, down here in leafy Surrey the Nissan seemed very intimidating to other road users, and traffic seemed to give it a wide berth, despite it really being no bigger than the Range Rovers and Q7's that are everywhere - perhaps I just looked like a 3.142key in it. In rural scotland, where I lived when I originally got it, no-one notices them as everyone has one.
Summary - solid, never go wrong workhorse = L200 ; a bit more comfort and style = Nissan
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