RE: VW Phaeton V10 TDI: You Know You Want to
RE: VW Phaeton V10 TDI: You Know You Want to
Thursday 24th October 2013

VW Phaeton V10 TDI: You Know You Want To

Another Piech engineering marvel for rather less than an XL1



Love them or hate them, cars developed under the tutelage of Ferdinand Piech are certainly memorable. Veyron, Continental GT and now the XL1 are three cars you can't fail to have an opinion about.

Mmm, orange
Mmm, orange
All are known as products of Piech's exacting attention to engineering detail, where seemingly trivial factors are meticulously optimised and refined to the nth degree. The fact the Veyron (and probably the XL1 also) sell at a loss for VW is the corollary of Piech's approach to development.

But experiencing Piech's work doesn't come cheap. Today we've seen the price of the XL1 'confirmed' at 119,000 euros, for example and, though they have depreciated, Veyrons aren't likely to become YKYWT fodder anytime soon. Furthermore, though original four-door Continentals have done just that, £30,000 isn't really that cheap.

£6.5K though, in the grand scheme of things, certainly is. That's all this rather badly photographed, 142,000-mile Phaeton will cost you, interior resplendent with wood trim that's probably best described as tan coloured.

But it is the V10 diesel. Behind the BMW tri-turbo unit and maybe the XL1, it's the most PH-worthy of all diesels. Though its 310hp and 553lb ft no longer raise eyebrows in 2013, they were staggering figures back in the mid-2000s. And V10s are just cool, petrol or diesel.

Phaeton clearly too big even for pictures
Phaeton clearly too big even for pictures
Remember the Phaeton's USP? Piech claimed that this 2.5-tonne barge could maintain 186mph in 50-degree heat whilst the cabin temperature remained constant at 22 degrees Celsius. This is despite no Phaeton being capable of more than 155mph.

It's that sort of approach that makes it more appealing as a used prospect. The interior is festooned with kit though, so check everything works. And though it's a diesel, the Phaeton is still a 5.0-litre V10; claimed mpg is 24 and CO2 is rated at 308g/km. But there's no cambelt to change and VW has never issued a recall for any Phaeton.

Moreover, this particular V10 has been serviced 10 times (the last 6,000 miles ago at the start of the year) and the MOT runs until April. A fairly detailed ad makes the Box Brownie pics all the more bemusing.

Other V10 Phaetons are around for nearer £10K, making this car a rather interesting prospect. The wantonly inoffensive styling is hardly inspirational, but isn't that all part of the Phaeton appeal? It's a rare example of the engineers winning, and we can't help but admire it for that.


VW PHAETON V10 TDI
Price:
£6,500
Why you should: When will there be another chance to buy a V10 diesel for £6,500?
Why you shouldn't: S-Class, 7 Series, XJ, A8...

See the original advert here

 

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WCZ

Original Poster:

11,557 posts

224 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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great value car for those who aren't image conscious! not sure about servicing costs

Gorbyrev

1,171 posts

184 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Awesome beastie. Half that V10 became the 5 pot 2.5 in my T5 Transporter and that is plenty. super wafty and more torque than a constipated elephant (@ low revs before it all kicks off again!) tank

Wills2

29,744 posts

205 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Looks pretty good, still fresh to my eyes, but that wood! not good.

I think he got carried away with the Bentley connection though as he thinks its got 550hp.



Gorbyrev

1,171 posts

184 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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They tend to chew water pumps which are pricey (£300) a throw but apart from that not too bad.

n_const

1,822 posts

231 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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advert says said:
This is a 4Matic version with the same gob-smacking 310bhp, 553lb ft torque 5.0litre V10 diesel as the Touareg. Those who have driven it say it’s quite astonishing. Like the V10 Tourag, that’s going to be the one to have
Its PH essentials bit on the right that says 550bhp not the guy.

Stedman

7,473 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Haven't these got a habit for chewing the turbo's?

JaguarsportXJR

237 posts

173 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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I got quite tempted by one of these a few years ago when they were sitting at about the £10k mark for the cheapies. Not keen on that wood on the inside, but I love the decadence of being able to say my eco diesel is a five litre V10. smile

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? When you factor in 6,7,8ppl more for diesel over petrol, the running cost will be eye watering to say the least. There are petrol V8 saloons out there that can better 24mpg, surely?

The Phaeton is still an engineering marvel, however.

Maxxxer

10 posts

207 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Forgive me for being pedantic, but if its a 5.0, why is it wearing a 3.0 badge?

Not quite the car i would imagine you would disguise with a lower badge (such as a 318 badge on an M3)...

LayZ

1,836 posts

272 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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V88Dicky said:
I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? When you factor in 6,7,8ppl more for diesel over petrol, the running cost will be eye watering to say the least. There are petrol V8 saloons out there that can better 24mpg, surely?

The Phaeton is still an engineering marvel, however.
Do really love these, especially in the Touraeg but considering the modern V6 TDI is 240PS its hard to justify the fuel consumption of the V10.

Polrules

394 posts

264 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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If it was me, I'd be saving up a little and going to have a look at this W12....



http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/v...

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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V88Dicky said:
I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? .
I half agree but you aren't choosing one for running costs and practicality, you are choosing it because its a brilliant car.
No idea what it achieves but you would be choosing this because the W12 petrol is a whole world worse.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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V88Dicky said:
I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? When you factor in 6,7,8ppl more for diesel over petrol, the running cost will be eye watering to say the least. There are petrol V8 saloons out there that can better 24mpg, surely?

The Phaeton is still an engineering marvel, however.
Yep. Nice 4.2 litre V8 in this one, 335bhp and avg 22mpg, plus it's only done 58k.

I'd say that's worth the extra over that very leggy V10.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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LayZ said:
V88Dicky said:
I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? When you factor in 6,7,8ppl more for diesel over petrol, the running cost will be eye watering to say the least. There are petrol V8 saloons out there that can better 24mpg, surely?

The Phaeton is still an engineering marvel, however.
Do really love these, especially in the Touraeg but considering the modern V6 TDI is 240PS its hard to justify the fuel consumption of the V10.
A tow car for static caravans? Moving 747s around perhaps?

Who knows? biggrin

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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blindswelledrat said:
I half agree but you aren't choosing one for running costs and practicality, you are choosing it because its a brilliant car.
No idea what it achieves but you would be choosing this because the W12 petrol is a whole world worse.
A mate had a W12 on a 3-month loan from VW about 11-12 years ago. Luckily it came with a fuel card but it made the most glorious noise. Would make an ideal car for doing a bank job in.

V88Dicky

7,373 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Beefmeister said:
V88Dicky said:
I really can't see the point of owning a diesel that does 24mpg? When you factor in 6,7,8ppl more for diesel over petrol, the running cost will be eye watering to say the least. There are petrol V8 saloons out there that can better 24mpg, surely?

The Phaeton is still an engineering marvel, however.
Yep. Nice 4.2 litre V8 in this one, 335bhp and avg 22mpg, plus it's only done 58k.

I'd say that's worth the extra over that very leggy V10.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
Looks a tidy car. Maybe that's the best all round engine choice?

matsoc

853 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Interesting and tempting at that price...
The V10 tdi is a torquey and charterful engine but in my experience it proved a bit unreliable. My dad owned 2 V10 tdi Touareg some years ago and both gave engine/drivetrain problems. The fisrt was purchased with delivery miles and sold some months later (my dad sold cars imported from Germany to Italy at the time but often kept some for a while before selling them. At the time it maked sense because there were relatively long waiting lists for many German cars in Italy while you could find plenty in Germany. Also there was a good period for big expensive cars in Italy because of some detraction rules introduced, now cancelled)
I don't remember exactly the issues the car passed some time at VW local garage some time fixing engine malfunctions. Another V10 Touareg early example bought later had the autobox replaced under warranty.

ChasW

2,163 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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A couple of years ago on a business trip to Germany we were assigned a limo by our hosts to take us back and forth to meetings etc. It was a 3 litre diesel version of the Phaeton. Nonetheless the same cabin. As a passenger I have to say one felt very special. The car seemed all about understated quality. I love the dash etc. It reminds me of old Jags that had far more switches and knobs than were required but looked just great.

robinessex

12,031 posts

211 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Bugger! I'd been trying to keep these cars a secret so the price would tumble, and I'd be able to snap up one cheap!!

BeirutTaxi

6,635 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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Artical said:
Though its 310hp and 553lb ft no longer raise eyebrows in 2013, they were staggering figures back in the mid-2000s. And V10s are just cool, petrol or diesel.
310bhp from a turbocharged 5000cc engine even in Y2000 is hardly 'staggering' though? The 510lb ft just suggests that it doesn't rev very high (Remember, torque doesn't have an independent impact on acceleration/top speed).

Diesels aren't cool either, it's always talked about with numbers/statistics whereas the noise of a petrol speaks for itself.

I recently had a go in an E65 745i and I would be surprised if it's not the one to have over the diesel Phaeton. You shouldn't enjoy revving a V8 to the red-line in a limo but somehow it's so damn exciting to. And the noise is brilliant, and the smoothness... and the punch.

The 7 Series really is 'The King'.

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 24th October 12:59