5k Diesel to do 25k a year.
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Hi Guys,
I'm possibly looking at spending around 5k on a diesel estate and I like the look of the Passat 170 Estate 2.0D. I'll be doing about 25k miles a year in it so AFAIK a DPF shouldn't be an issue. I used to have a 1.9pd 130 Golf and quite liked its ability to gobble up the miles with no real issues. Another forum has said to avoid listing a large range of issues which surprised me but don't know how seriously to take the comments.
So any advice or am I looking to spend waaaay too little for a passat!
Is the DSG box going to cost a fortune to maintain?
Any common problems to worry about?
What sort of mileage have people got from them as I'm not seeing many high 100k cars?
I'm open to alternatives but would like an estate so i can chuck the bikes in the back and for driving around europe for winter holidays.
So far alternatives I've thought about are;
Mondeo ST TDCi
BMW 320d
I'm possibly looking at spending around 5k on a diesel estate and I like the look of the Passat 170 Estate 2.0D. I'll be doing about 25k miles a year in it so AFAIK a DPF shouldn't be an issue. I used to have a 1.9pd 130 Golf and quite liked its ability to gobble up the miles with no real issues. Another forum has said to avoid listing a large range of issues which surprised me but don't know how seriously to take the comments.
So any advice or am I looking to spend waaaay too little for a passat!
Is the DSG box going to cost a fortune to maintain?
Any common problems to worry about?
What sort of mileage have people got from them as I'm not seeing many high 100k cars?
I'm open to alternatives but would like an estate so i can chuck the bikes in the back and for driving around europe for winter holidays.
So far alternatives I've thought about are;
Mondeo ST TDCi
BMW 320d
I always thought the 1.9 was more reliable than the 2.0, especially in 130 form? I think the 2.0 suffers from oil pump issues.
I would personally be looking at the nicest 1.9 PD 130 Passat B5.5 or Audi A4 that I could find with a manual gearbox - less to worry about.
Or an Octavia, all these taxi drivers can't be wrong?
I would personally be looking at the nicest 1.9 PD 130 Passat B5.5 or Audi A4 that I could find with a manual gearbox - less to worry about.
Or an Octavia, all these taxi drivers can't be wrong?
This isn't going to help you at all - but all modern common rail diesels have the ability to chuck up a monster bill. The over complicated nature of the mechanicals in the never ending search for economy and refinement has caused repair bills to get stupidly out of hand.
I think there's a generation of the VAG TDi 170 lump that had injector issues, it was dealt with by recall but worth doing a bit of digging. If you're thinking DSG then you avoid the dual mass flywheel lottery which is a bonus.
I'd avoid the Ford TDCi lump on your budget. That's one engine that could well bite you on the arse with all manner of issues - injector failure, high pressure fuel pump break up, random limp mode events... The newer tdci is much much better but your budget won't get you there.
I've had all manner of diesels, and concluded its a minefield. You mention you've already had a VAG 1.9 PD130 - IMHO that the pick of the bunch for your budget. It's tried and tested, not overly complicated, and reasonably bomb proof. Not the most exciting drive but quite adequate for the motorway slog.
Good luck.
I think there's a generation of the VAG TDi 170 lump that had injector issues, it was dealt with by recall but worth doing a bit of digging. If you're thinking DSG then you avoid the dual mass flywheel lottery which is a bonus.
I'd avoid the Ford TDCi lump on your budget. That's one engine that could well bite you on the arse with all manner of issues - injector failure, high pressure fuel pump break up, random limp mode events... The newer tdci is much much better but your budget won't get you there.
I've had all manner of diesels, and concluded its a minefield. You mention you've already had a VAG 1.9 PD130 - IMHO that the pick of the bunch for your budget. It's tried and tested, not overly complicated, and reasonably bomb proof. Not the most exciting drive but quite adequate for the motorway slog.
Good luck.
Your budget will take your right slap bang into the middle of the danger zone of the 2005-2007 2.0TDI's with all the known engine problems.
I would be looking for a 1.9TDI VW. Get something thats privately owned and has a FVWSH (or by a GOOD indy) for the maximum value for your cash and the best chance of longevity.
I would be looking for a 1.9TDI VW. Get something thats privately owned and has a FVWSH (or by a GOOD indy) for the maximum value for your cash and the best chance of longevity.
wiliferus said:
This isn't going to help you at all - but all modern common rail diesels have the ability to chuck up a monster bill. The over complicated nature of the mechanicals in the never ending search for economy and refinement has caused repair bills to get stupidly out of hand.
I've had all manner of diesels, and concluded its a minefield. You mention you've already had a VAG 1.9 PD130 - IMHO that the pick of the bunch for your budget. It's tried and tested, not overly complicated, and reasonably bomb proof. Not the most exciting drive but quite adequate for the motorway slog.
Good luck.
+1I've had all manner of diesels, and concluded its a minefield. You mention you've already had a VAG 1.9 PD130 - IMHO that the pick of the bunch for your budget. It's tried and tested, not overly complicated, and reasonably bomb proof. Not the most exciting drive but quite adequate for the motorway slog.
Good luck.
The 1.9TDI engine is the last of the old generation diesels and none the worse for it
Having had DPF grief with French tat we bought an Octavia 2.0 (no DPF) using the taxi argument, and a dsg one too because an auto was important. £5k bought a car with half the mileage (50k) of the equivalent value Passat at the time, my wife commutes 90 miles a day in it and it hasn't missed a beat now on 84k.
I'm on my second Fabia 1.9Tdi and I can't speak highly enough of them. I've probably covered 100k miles in total and have paid for nothing other than routine maintenance.
Might be a bit small for you but I'd buy this in a heartbeat if I needed another one:
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20131007914...
Might be a bit small for you but I'd buy this in a heartbeat if I needed another one:
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20131007914...
I went for the 320d- got a 2005 sport wagon automatic for 4.5k with 100k on the clock in January.
On 118k now and it hasn't missed a beat- a great "do everything" car: family duties, business trips, dog hauler, towing to the dump etc. It's our automotive swiss army knife. Will probably run it till it dies!
On 118k now and it hasn't missed a beat- a great "do everything" car: family duties, business trips, dog hauler, towing to the dump etc. It's our automotive swiss army knife. Will probably run it till it dies!
Another vote for the Octavia. I have a hatchback with the 2.0TDI 6 speed manual, the earlier PD version without a DPF, it's been faultless over 70,000 miles, although the VAG recommended timing belt interval is just 40,000 miles, I'm about to put my second belt on the car. 95% of my driving is motorway and I have averaged 51mpg over 70,000 miles.
For ultimate longevity and economy go for the 1.9TDI, but the high point of the VAG 1.9TDI, the 130PS version, wasn't available in the MKII Octavia. You can have the 1.9TDI with 105PS, the 2.0TDI with 140PS, or the VRS with 170PS (but if it's the PD version make sure the injector recall was done).
For ultimate longevity and economy go for the 1.9TDI, but the high point of the VAG 1.9TDI, the 130PS version, wasn't available in the MKII Octavia. You can have the 1.9TDI with 105PS, the 2.0TDI with 140PS, or the VRS with 170PS (but if it's the PD version make sure the injector recall was done).
A volvo v70 d5 would be perfect for this.
I'd try and get a manual to avoid the dodgy auto boxes at this budget and also the black top 163bhp engine, no dpf.
Then just fingers crossed that the injectors, fuel pump, dmf etc behave. At this budget you'll have to take that risk whatever you buy.
Excellent support on volvo forums for when/if you need it.
There is no better mile muncher really.
I'd try and get a manual to avoid the dodgy auto boxes at this budget and also the black top 163bhp engine, no dpf.
Then just fingers crossed that the injectors, fuel pump, dmf etc behave. At this budget you'll have to take that risk whatever you buy.
Excellent support on volvo forums for when/if you need it.
There is no better mile muncher really.
Small cars are a no no as I have a clio 182 for the weekend toy.
Hmmmm some interesting comments I looked at V70 D5s but there doesn't seem to be many about which appealed. I've read that latter VW 2.0 diesels are better? does anyone know what to look for to confirm this?
BMWs again didn't seem to be any that jumped out at me as solid sensible purchases.
Are the Alfa diesel engines worth a look at?
Hmmmm some interesting comments I looked at V70 D5s but there doesn't seem to be many about which appealed. I've read that latter VW 2.0 diesels are better? does anyone know what to look for to confirm this?
BMWs again didn't seem to be any that jumped out at me as solid sensible purchases.
Are the Alfa diesel engines worth a look at?
dave_s13 said:
A volvo v70 d5 would be perfect for this.
I'd try and get a manual to avoid the dodgy auto boxes at this budget and also the black top 163bhp engine, no dpf.
Then just fingers crossed that the injectors, fuel pump, dmf etc behave. At this budget you'll have to take that risk whatever you buy.
Excellent support on volvo forums for when/if you need it.
There is no better mile muncher really.
Or even better value for money S80I'd try and get a manual to avoid the dodgy auto boxes at this budget and also the black top 163bhp engine, no dpf.
Then just fingers crossed that the injectors, fuel pump, dmf etc behave. At this budget you'll have to take that risk whatever you buy.
Excellent support on volvo forums for when/if you need it.
There is no better mile muncher really.
I was in a similar position to you a while back and ended up buying a 2.0 petrol Passat. It was thousands of pounds cheaper than a similar mileage/age/condition diesel.
It might be worth you looking at a petrol one and working out how many miles you'd have to do before it cost you more?
It might be worth you looking at a petrol one and working out how many miles you'd have to do before it cost you more?
Debaser said:
I was in a similar position to you a while back and ended up buying a 2.0 petrol Passat. It was thousands of pounds cheaper than a similar mileage/age/condition diesel.
It might be worth you looking at a petrol one and working out how many miles you'd have to do before it cost you more?
Id estimate it would cost approx £1700-2000 per year to run a petrol over a diesel. I do 18k a year and a petrol averaging 32mpg will cost me 1100 quid more than a derv averaging 50mpg.It might be worth you looking at a petrol one and working out how many miles you'd have to do before it cost you more?
If you are looking in that era of passats go for the 140 as it has no DPF and different injectors to the 170
Av got the civic 2.2 and its a great engine. If you spend time to remove all the squeeks and creaks in the dash, prepare for a new clutch then its great. There clutches are like chocolate. Mines slipped for 50k before replacement. Wont ever fail just cant put the foot down in 4th 5th and 6th.
All that talk of economy misses one of the most important aspects of 25k a year and that is comfort. The BMW standard seats are miserable affairs and do not support your lower back. Lumber support makes a huge difference (but strangely quite a rarely specified option (presumably because it has no office bragging rights) ).
At that sort of mileage and I guess 2-3 hours a day in the car, do yourself a favour and try a few out for comfort. Chronic lower back ache is miserable.
At that sort of mileage and I guess 2-3 hours a day in the car, do yourself a favour and try a few out for comfort. Chronic lower back ache is miserable.
wiliferus said:
I'd avoid the Ford TDCi lump on your budget. That's one engine that could well bite you on the arse with all manner of issues - injector failure, high pressure fuel pump break up, random limp mode events... The newer tdci is much much better but your budget won't get you there.
When did they change? I just bought a 2007 1.8TDCi for £5k for precisely about 20-25k a year. The limp home modes are annoying, but then they are found on most newer cars and vans. I was told yesterday a Merc Sprinter has 192 reasons it will go into limp home. How long does the OP want to keep the car for? If it just a year or 2 then go low milage, if its longer then you want something which has had the work already done.
I would avoid the 320's as from what I understand they are generally expensive to get from 100-150k miles, which is where your budget will put you.
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