Help Please, Volvo XC90/Discovery 3/Honda CRV/Outlander?
Help Please, Volvo XC90/Discovery 3/Honda CRV/Outlander?
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Mr Red Barron

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1,568 posts

238 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Looking for a bit of advice and help please fellow PH'ers.

Currently have a 06 vw passat sport estate and a 56 vw golf gti DSG.

In March next year we will be expecting the arrival of our little nipper, and with the missus being on maternity leave and her need for a bigger and safer car, we are looking to downscale to one car, albeit a big 4x4 which the missus quote "can survive a car crash in".

We're looking at around the £10-12,000 mark, Must be an automatic, under 100,000 miles, leather seats (we have a dog so it's easier to get the hairs off) and be reasonable on fuel economy(no petrol v8's!!). 7 seats would be a nice extra. We've yet to test drive any vehicles as i want to wait until the new year so that the prices will hopefully drop off a bit for 4x4's, but looking at the options, in our price bracket are the Honda CRV, Discovery 3, Volvo XC90, Outlander or a BMW X3.

I understand that servicing will cost a lot more than our cars currently due to them being big bulky vehicles with lot's of tech, and that MPG won't be much greater than 30mpg. But will the fact we're downscaling to one car instead of paying for 2 x car tax, 2 x insurance etc, offset the raised prices in this area?

What are they like to live with everyday? Is there any you'd recommend or any i've missed?

So far i've found the following options:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
XC90 Ocean Race Special Edition

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2013...
Discovery 3



Any help would be appreciated!!

Phil Dicky

7,194 posts

293 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I've had an XC90 and loved it..only thing to check is the 4 x 4 system, they do fail and can be 1k to fix. Disco can have high bork factor.
Not sure a CRV or Outlander are any bigger than the Passat, just a bit higher up.
Be an XC90 for me

Mr Red Barron

Original Poster:

1,568 posts

238 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Phil Dicky said:
I've had an XC90 and loved it..only thing to check is the 4 x 4 system, they do fail and can be 1k to fix. Disco can have high bork factor.
Not sure a CRV or Outlander are any bigger than the Passat, just a bit higher up.
Be an XC90 for me
Are they relativly reliable then? I know tyres cost a lot, what are the service intervals/costs?

schmalex

13,616 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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OP. I hate doing this on an open forum, but I'll be selling our 56 plate Touareg Altitude 3.0 tdi with FVWSH for around the £10k mark in the next few weeks due to my wife getting a co. car. PM me if you want more details

infradig

978 posts

237 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I've heard all now, a Passat estate not big enough for one baby!
Seriously though,as you appear to like VW's ,what about the Touareg? I've looked at them in the past and they seem better put together than most competitors,except Landcruisers obviously, but unless you're driving across deserts or own horses that could be overkill.

Edited to add, I didn't see the above post when I posted this!.Will expect commission though !

Edited by infradig on Thursday 7th November 09:31

chris182

4,238 posts

183 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I've been looking at 4x4s recently and one which might be a good candidate for you is the Jeep Commander CRD Limited. The prices are very good, it should be much more reliable than a discovery and the figures for the 3.0 Mercedes CRD engine look rather good to me.

Fittster

20,120 posts

243 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Why do you think your current car won't have enough space?

Maracus

4,552 posts

198 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
XC90s are great. I love mine.

I wouldnt buy a pre-facelfit car though. All the niggly (and big) problems such as the AWD issues etc were fixed with the 2006 facelift.

A pre-facelift XC90 is a bit of an invitation to emptying your wallet im afriad!
This is what I was told when looking for one last year by a Volvo Specialist. Facelift is the way to go.

I ended up buying a 3.0TDI A6 Avant.

BMW3s6

2,885 posts

228 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Jeep commanders can be had with for good money, merc engine and gearbox. Personally I would avoid a disco unless your very hands on.

I have land cruiser, a 2000 reg one and prefer driving it over my 08 bmw 5 series. Plus it has 8 seats!

ITP

2,738 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I went for an RX400h. It was between that and a newer CRV for me. The extra power and toys swung it for me.
It's been faultless, very refined and has an awesome stereo system, dvd's too.
Not going to chuck it down a b road though, but that's not what it is for, it's for wafting about. Does about 30mpg. No 7 seats though.

GreatGranny

9,519 posts

256 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Not sure why you want a big 4x4 with one child but I can advise on the XC90.

Our main car is a pre-facelift 06 which I bought not knowing about pre/post facelift but its been 100% reliable since we bought it May 2012.
It doesn't do huge mileage, maybe 10k since we've owned it but it tows our 1400kg caravan with ease and is pretty spacious but TBH the boot isn't a huge amount bigger than the Mondeo estate I had years ago.

I have a lifetime warranty on mine which was reasonable and I made sure it covers the 4x4 system if not much else.

I bought tyres on Ebay (Kankook) for £120 each and a local garage fitted them for £15 each including balancing.

Tax is the biggy, its top rate so £480? but my commuter is only £20 so man maths averages out at £250 per car :-)

It only needed a gater for its MOT and my local Polish mechanic does a service for £150.

Heavy on fuel, wife gets 28 but it mainly short journeys, longer trips will see 32-34.

WE looked at Outlanders but with 3 kids the 3rd row seats were too small for regular use but it was ideal apart from that.
mate has the XC60 and its a lovely car and much cheaper to run than the XC90.
They are within your budget now as well.

OP-I would go for the smaller SUV with only 1 child.

Mr Red Barron

Original Poster:

1,568 posts

238 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Unfortunetly its not me who wants the bigger car. I would be perfectly happy just selling the gti as the passat is a perfect size for what we need. But the wife has got it in her head that the bigger the car, the better chances of survival in a crash (believe me, i've tried to point her towards ncap safety ratings and that you dont have to have a tank to be safe on the roads etc, but i think its her motherly instinct kicking in and i can't win lol!)

I wasn't aware of the pre facelift issues with reliability......i was looking at older models due to the lower tax band but maybe the saving won't be worth it. Its good to see a few owners having good experiences and recommending it though, will be keeping this on my list. I think the landie is off though, i can't justify having nearly 3 tons of brilliant off road capability for the odd puddle or two, and the unreliability that seems to come with it.

Maybe i should try and send her down the path of the x3, or something a bit smaller?

QuantumTokoloshi

4,277 posts

247 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Nissan X-trail has served us well, an alternative option perhaps.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Mr Red Barron said:
Unfortunetly its not me who wants the bigger car. I would be perfectly happy just selling the gti as the passat is a perfect size for what we need. But the wife has got it in her head that the bigger the car, the better chances of survival in a crash (believe me, i've tried to point her towards ncap safety ratings and that you dont have to have a tank to be safe on the roads etc, but i think its her motherly instinct kicking in and i can't win lol!)
I feel sorry for you. The very fact she wants a big, heavy, high, softly sprung car for "safety" is the reason she shouldn't have one. Remind her that it will be fine as long as what ever she hits is smaller than her (assuming she doesn't have to take any quick avoiding manoeuvres, which tip the car over) but if she hits or gets hit by anything big enough to stop it, all bets are off.

I trust she will be barging her way to the outside of the school on the zig zags to drop her precious cargo off when he/she starts school. It's the only way, her child is far more important than everyone else's.

Buy her a Fiesta and some defensive driving lessons.





Sleepers

317 posts

195 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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The wife's Passat is a great all rounder.

In 100,000 miles ours has swallowed prams, pushchairs, huge amounts of luggage for hols, superb in the snow with its winter tyres on, feels like you are driving a tank, six air bags, very comfortable, 50+MPG most of the time, no slouch either and it just works...

Why saddle yourself with with a big off-roader?

I also have a small off-roader which is cheap to run, 40MPG, but way to small for a family...

If you must then a diesel CRV/x-trail may make sense.

Cheers


JQ

6,832 posts

209 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I think you're mad.

Swapping cars costs money, probably £000's based on what your proposing - that's lost money in the act of swapping not the actual purchase price. The 2 cars you have now sound perfect for the job - safe, economic, practical and reliable. What happens when the child starts nursery, pre-school etc? We have to have 2 cars for this very reason as sometimes I drop off and Mrs JQ picks up and vice versa, so your downscaling could be quite temporary. Personally, if safety was my biggest issue, I'd rather have a small nimble car with a high NCAP than a massive 4x4, far more likely to avoid an accident that way.

If you're happy to accept there's no logic to your decision to chop in 2 pefectly good cars then I'd probably go for a Honda CRV, great car and very versatile - in terms of actual personal experience I'd have it over a Rav4, X-Trail and Touareg. Something like an XC90 is complete overkill for 1 child - several friends have 7 seaters and all seats rarely get used and even when they do, it's for the convenience of other people at the expense of their own. I'd rather have a V70 or A6 over an XC90. However, my wife would take an XC90 every time.

Champhill

4,097 posts

168 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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My wife drove a new 2003 CR-V for nearly nine years, automatic, leather, sat nav. In all the time we had it, two brake lights were the only expenditure outside of regular servicing and tyres.

Brilliant car for a young family in our experience.

SSBB

698 posts

186 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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I will throw in another vote for the CR-V. Just check that the differential isn't juddering/dragging when manoeuvring on full lock, indicates contamination of the oil, common problem.

FWIW,NCAP isn't worth much in a small car when a Range Rover Sport hits you.

FiF

48,884 posts

281 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Hated the auto on the CRV, complete deal killer for me.

Of that list Outlander.

Outback? Petrol with auto though.

Mr Red Barron

Original Poster:

1,568 posts

238 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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How can you distinguish the facelifted xc90 from the old one? Exterior wise i cannot see anything obvious?