RS4 Brakes - Cauliflower pattern?
RS4 Brakes - Cauliflower pattern?
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Goodsteed

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629 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Spotted a beautiful new RS4 in newcastle under lyme yesterday and noticed the they have a strange surface area pattern where the disk is s swept by the pads. Making the disk look cauliflower shaped on first glance...



Anyone know what causes this? Something to do with the size of the six pot caliper in relation to the disks?

beer

Kozy

3,169 posts

248 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Just a pattern cut into the OD of the disc isn't it? After-market aesthetic modification I'd assume.

jeremyc

28,189 posts

314 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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It's simply to reduce weight. smile

Dave Hedgehog

16,354 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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wave brakes

all new RS / R8 have them

DaveCWK

2,418 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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It's a 'style over function' thing. Cheap wavy edge brakes have been available on Ebay for a variety of cars for years, and also in applications where the spec of the brakes far exceeded the application e.g. mountain bikes/motorbikes. They are not in any way beneficial over traditional vented discs.

Gusto

608 posts

263 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I was of the impression it was to reduce un-sprung weight..... Can't believe it accounts for much though?

Goodsteed

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629 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Cheers, I guess I would reduce a Kg or so of unsprung weight given how bloody heavy disks are. Can't see why you wouldn't just manufacture a 340mm brake required rather than a wavy 360. Form over function I guess.

ManOpener

12,467 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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As others have said, I'd always though it was to achieve the best possible balance between weight and surface area.

mackie1

8,169 posts

263 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I've never seem them used in motorsport so I think it's only for looks/to stand out.

larrylamb11

693 posts

281 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Technically its designed to increase surface area with the objective of improving cooling wink

98elise

32,707 posts

191 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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ManOpener said:
As others have said, I'd always though it was to achieve the best possible balance between weight and surface area.
Surely that would be a circle.

Kozy

3,169 posts

248 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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larrylamb11 said:
Technically its designed to increase surface area with the objective of improving cooling wink
You're a salesman aren't you.

kambites

71,563 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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98elise said:
ManOpener said:
As others have said, I'd always though it was to achieve the best possible balance between weight and surface area.
Surely that would be a circle.
You'd think so. hehe

jeremyc

28,189 posts

314 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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kambites said:
98elise said:
ManOpener said:
As others have said, I'd always though it was to achieve the best possible balance between weight and surface area.
Surely that would be a circle.
You'd think so. hehe
Not when the pads can't sweep the surface all the way to the outer edge, surely. teacher

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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larrylamb11 said:
Technically its designed to increase surface area with the objective of improving cooling wink
So how does removing chunks of the outside of the swept area of the disc increase the total surface area?

The only area it increases is along the edges of the disc, which will not compensate for the amount lost on the sides.

Dave Hedgehog

16,354 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Gusto said:
I was of the impression it was to reduce un-sprung weight..... Can't believe it accounts for much though?
9lbs on an RS4/RS5 apparently, I assume that's all 4 corners thou

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/auto-blo...

the only audi blurb i can find refers only to reducing weight

"They also feature revised friction rings which help to reduce weight by three kilograms, improving the balance of unsprung masses in the process. "





the RS4 mentions heat and weight

"The RS 4 Avant comes with a high-performance braking
system as standard. An 8-piston fixed calliper at the
front combines with 365mm Wave discs to harness the
formidable power of the car’s 4.2-litre V8 engine. This
innovative new Wave design has helped us save 3kg in
weight while improving performance through better
heat dissipation."

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 26th November 16:01

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Kawasaki have been using 'petal' discs on their zx-Xr range for a while.

graeme4130

3,955 posts

211 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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According to the sales patter, it's to reduce weight and improve cooling
However, the brakes on my RS4 are like this and squeal like a pig frown

Monkeylegend

29,388 posts

261 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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It also assists cadence braking without having to take your foot off the brakes.

Dave Hedgehog

16,354 posts

234 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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graeme4130 said:
According to the sales patter, it's to reduce weight and improve cooling
However, the brakes on my RS4 are like this and squeal like a pig frown
that may just be the pad material thou, the TTRS and RS3 suffered from terrible brake squeal, the fix involved new calibers (with some form of weight balance on them) and a new pad compound that needs to be bedded in following a strict procedure, but it does cure them

i would contact Audi